The Fomorians
There are many oblique references to the presence of Black people in ancient Ireland. Ancient Irish mythology refers to the original inhabitants of the island as being a giant, sea-faring people called the Fomorians (Fomors), which means “dark of the sea”. According to the ancient lore, they were a cushitic people from the African continent. Often depicted as demons, they defeated the first few incoming waves of invaders, but could not defeat the Firbolgs, who settled the land and lived side-by-side with the native Fomors.
Those myths may have a factual historical basis. It is proposed that the Formorians were a real people who were in all likelihood sailors from the African continent.
Two more invasions, the first led by the godly Tuatha de Danaan, and the second by the Celtic Milesians, took control of Ireland, mixing together with the Fomorians until they were no more.
There are credible sources for the African association with Ireland. The most likely of these is that they were Phoenicians and/or Egyptians. The Phoenicians were Canaanites, which came from the line of Ham. Ham is the mythological ancestor of the Black nation.
The Phoenicians were also well-known for their sailing skills, and are said to have traveled to the British Isles, which they called the “Tin Islands”. Perhaps, before Ireland was a Celtic domain, which it wasn’t until a few centuries BCE, the Phoenicians colonized it. It is noteworthy that the name Fomorians sounds a bit like Phoenicians.
There is also a legend that an Egyptian princess, Scota, left Egypt with some followers and journeyed to Ireland. Legend has it that Egyptians left many ancient tin mines all over Britain but especially Ireland which was their major source of the valuable metal.
Another idea is that they were Taureg Berbers. The Berber language is Hamitic, and the Berber people live in an area from which travel to Ireland would be easily accessible. The Berbers perhaps set sail from western Morocco, and settled on Ireland before the Celts, making it their new home.
Moorish Science Temple founder Drew Ali teaches that Ireland was once part of a Moorish empire, and that the Irish are a Moorish people. Perhaps there is a common root between the “moor” sound in Fomor and the word Moor?
Selkies and Half-Breeds
Another Irish legend tells of the Selkies, a sort-of “wereseal” that is a seal during day, but a human by nightfall. Sometimes, in an Irish family of fair-skinned, light-haired people, a child is born with dark hair eyes, and skin, and is called a Selkie.
The concept of the Selkies appears to make subliminal reference to the half-breed children that resulted from the extensive miscegenation that occurred between the Celts and the dark skinned original inhabitants that they had met upon their arrival in Ireland.
Many people of Irish descent have distant and recent African roots, and these features can still be seen in the people and in the culture. There are some Irish people with Afros (just like Andre the Giant a late continental European wrestler with afro-hair). In Southern Ireland, some people, referred to as “Black Irish”, are noted for their strikingly dark features, as opposed to the fair-skinned, light-haired north.
Although many Irish descendants are particularly pale, they do have pronounced Africoid facial features, as well as dark brown eyes, and dark brown hair that is sort-of kinky, especially in moist conditions. A sub race of the Irish called the Bronn are noticeably Mediterranean (read: African) in features especially their hair.
In addition to all of this, Celtic music is distinctly different from the rest of Europe, and easily comparable to African music.
Black, Viking and Irish
Unlike Scotland and England, Ireland was never colonized by the Romans. As a result, Ireland remained relatively isolated.
The Vikings established port cities like Dublin. The Viking texts left stories and descriptions of African soldiers captured in Ireland whom they called blaumen[blue-men].
Most Viking references to ”black” in Norse would have signified having black hair as opposed to skin color but blaumen meant black skinned. Most of these blaumen were captured soliders from Moorish Spain. It was observed that:
“A prominent Viking of the eleventh century was Thorhall, who was aboard the ship that carried the early Vikings to the shores of North America. Thorhall was “the huntsman in summer, and in winter the steward of Eric the Red. He was, it is said, a large man, and strong, black, and like a giant, silent, and foul-mouthed in his speech, and always egged on Eric to the worst; he was a bad Christian.””
“Another Viking, more notable than Thorhall, was Earl Thorfinn, “the most distinguished of all the earls in the Islands.” Thorfinn ruled over nine earldoms in Scotland and Ireland, and died at the age of seventy-five. His widow married the king of Scotland. Thorfinn was described as “one of the largest men in point of stature, and ugly, sharp featured, and somewhat tawny, and the most martial looking man… It has been related that he was the foremost of all his men.””
What about Scotland and Wales?
“Any comprehensive account of the African presence in early Europe should include England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Scandinavia. The history and legends of Scotland confirm the existence of “purely Black people.” We see one of them in the person of Kenneth the Niger. During the tenth century Kenneth the Niger ruled over three provinces in the Scottish Highlands.
The historical and literary traditions of Wales reflect similar beliefs. According to Gwyn Jones (perhaps the world’s leading authority on the subject), to the Welsh chroniclers, “The Danes coming in by way of England and the Norwegians by way of Ireland were pretty well all black: Black Gentiles, Black Norsemen, Black Host.””
Ogu Eji Ofo Annu
Sources:
Ancient And Modern Britons, by David Mac Ritchie
Nature Knows No Color-Line, by J.A. Rogers
As a child. I always wondered why so many Irish people had freckles; especially the ones with that kinky curly red hair.
Peolpe need to stop denying their heretage!
Peace
People need to stop living in fantasy land. Red hair is the result of the person having 2 copies of the MCR1 gene (melanocortin 1 receptor). One copy of this gene results in freckles. The MCR1 gene reaches a peak in the British Isles most likely due to the overcast climate with very little sunlight. People with this gene are at a much higher risk of skin cancer and an inability to tan!! If Africans had this gene they would be at a huge disadvantage and wouldn’t survive the hot African sun. This is why so many Irish have freckles. The MCR1 gene is also recessive and over 75% of Irish have one copy of this gene so this alone shows that the Irish have been fairly isolated. Kinky hair is not common in Ireland unless you mean wavy or curly hair which is common all across Europe. Are you saying that Art Garfunkel has recent African ancestry? I have nothing against African people and everyone originally started out in Africa but if you are saying that the Irish have a more recent connection with Africa then show something to prove it? DNA studies do not bear this out and science doesn’t lie.
art garfunkel could have african ancestery , as it is common knowledge through roman census from over 2000 yrs ago thats jews took wifes from africa, in particular somalia and ethopia (Jesus mother mary was of ethopian blood). And as jews in latter years tended to only marry other jews the gene has stayed
LOL. It is definitely a time for revealing the truth. People sound like they’re in denial. How can anyone from a race of people that’s only been in existence for 6000 years tell the original people who have been here for millions of years and since the beginning of so-called time, who and what lived where?? It’s not about being racist, it’s not about being afrocentric (CIA term by the way). IT”S ABOUT TRUTH. Even with all the conquering, burning of libraries, and rewriting “history” books, the TRUTH can no longer be suppressed. We are a global people, not just from so-called Africa. Everywhere there are people, we have been first. Accept it and GET OVER IT.
Alice They call that albino,trying to turn a color.Whites are albinos,MUTATED! Science has long proved that: EVERYBODY that lived on this earth was BLACK in Color. Now Alice no so-called white- albino.Look at all the people before that disease yes it’s a disease.Called melanoma, no carbon producing pineal gland yours does not work.Freckles is your body’s attempt to produce color. Why can’t white non-melanated skin turn black u say we are your children we came from u. It is not possible for any mutant albino to produce a color.People of color can and have (you are welcomed) produced an inferior stock of HUEMAN being that is white or mutant albinos.Now we didn’t any of our features from anyone of white albino stock,cause we were here first and only. Sorry you weren’t around yet.WE were blonde and red head before you were born albinos on the Afrikan Continent.So do your history of yourselves we know the deal.Debate among yourselves and wonder how your pink, that burn in the SUN skin could ever have produced Black,Brown,Red,& Yellow HUE.The key word here is HUE. A color has to be there to produce one,as your non-color proves it was not you who is Mother or Father of any race on this planet.The Whites or MUTANT ALBINOS are NOT INDIGENIOUS of anywhere on this EARTH!! In the bible you are the LEPERS,they have skin issues, NO Blackness to bounce off the uv rays.Cursed.Why you continue to be confused can be solved with research.Look up albino born in Africa to African HUEMANS that would be you.All of you MUTANTS can see how you came to be.Once again if ALL the inhabitants all over the world are colored,started off colored,remained colored for over 2 million years and only a handful ( compared to the colored races)are born without color
something had to happen.That’s why you albinos had to leave Africa to the caves of Europe. Told u we know the story.You are used to be Black people born to black skinned to brown HUEMANS. You can’t call yourself Hue-man guess Human (whoman) will have to do. See how the Devils try to roll.HA HA.
Melodymaat8 – You seem to have taken offence to my post. I’m not disputing that everyone came out of Africa originally. I’m saying the assertions on this site that Africans were in Ireland in the Viking Age and that Irish have had some direct African ancestry is wrong. People can get tested these days and they can tell where your ancestors originated from. If you go back far enough everyone came out of Africa it’s just that most Irish have been there since the island was inhabitated after the last Ice Age; before that they were in Iberia. By studying mitochondrial DNA, which is passed from mother to child, researchers have found that most of the actual European inhabitants seem to have come from re-expansion of hunter-gatherers populations, which have migrated from Iberia, Europe after the end of the last Ice Age, Geneticists can look at Y chromosomes from the father and mt-dna from the mother and trace where people were back in time. This has been done with many present day populations including the Irish and there is a lot of information on Irish genetics. That is why what is said here is fantasy, it is easily researched if you were inclined enough to want to find factual information. If there were Africans in Ireland it would be recorded; that’s what a lot of those monks did in those days. There would be no reason to hide it. Albinism occurs in all populations. Albinism is due to absence or defect of an enzyme involved in the production of melanin. Europeans have this enzyme and they do produce melanin. Melanin comes in two types: pheomelanin (red) and eumelanin (very dark brown). Skin colour is determined by the amount AND type of melanin. So no Europeans are not mutant albinos. Africans are beautiful people and I wish I looked like Rihanna. If Africans contributed to the Irish gene pool the information would be available. No need to be angry people. Maybe Rihanna has some Irish blood?? A lot of Irish & Scottish were sent to the West Indies as slaves by the British.
Question: Why would The British send the Irish to the West Indies as slaves? Is it because they knew the ancestry of the Irish?
I love it when the new commers try to explain their present situation.Perhaps you have me confused with someone who does not know their history,not the his-story as told by someone who has only been non-hueman for about 100,000 years. You still haven’t explained how people of color turn white,albinism,but not a single report of a white person turning black,excuse me, you too turn back to a color after you die.You are stuck on denial.If we started off black in color where did you mutated albinos come from?You whites or you seem to have forgotten there where no so-called white folk.Why you seek out sites where we are informing ourselves cause we know the truth,as i said.White is no color white is not,i repeat a color & not natural in the world.So when a gorilla is born it’s color is BLACK, that is it’s natural color.Now when it is born WHITE,you people call it ALBINO meaning born without color,just like you people.That’s funny you call everything else not born of color when it is naturally of color an Albino.And there is NO exception to that rule if you are a albino born of Africans and no other whites are around.You are on the wrong site, like i said you need to go do research on yourselves.When the so-called Irish first came to America you called them NIGGERS for they still had their color.
So Alice no offence taken,but i know my story for it was i who taught it to your people when we rescued you from the caves of europe after you mutated and became what you are now.A non HUEMAN being and that’s the truth as we know it cause we wrote it first. Now every melanin test have proved we were the first everywhere,AND pics go on the internet and go backward in our story. When you do you willbegin to see blackness all around you. Look for the pics of the first chinese,japanese,after we traveled out and populated the entire world. Once again it was not your people,sorry,it was people of color,melaninated to the core.You have to dispute those cave dwellers.For they too have been lied to. No one in their right mind can dispute everyone of color was blessed with a working pineal gland ,all praises to the creator,we are blessed. And knowledge is power.Know thy self .And the first so-called Vikings that was us too.Can’t miss us anywhere.Europeans are as Mutated as they come Blonde hair,blue eyes the highest with the disease of leperosy then white hair,pink eyes in this stage they become sterile. Too Mutated to conceive thank the creator.
That’s why a child by a HUEMAN being AND a non-Hueman called (human) is all the Dominant HUEMAN CHILD.Our genes are Dominant.And the info is available look up the Pelasians that was us,then Formordians us too.Africans occupied all the lands before you,that’s why you found us when you arrived.That’s why we have to tell our children the true story or they will continue to keep their fairy tales alive when they must end their story ,so in 2012 we can regain our place.The people where everything came from and was stolen from us. Third Eyers our time is here truth is here MAAT TIME.Hold on it won’t hurt a bit.White peoples melanin is not enough to turn them back to their original color in life,not until they die,3-5 days after they turn to their former color black,they have to be in the ground.That’s what ALBINISM does to people born of 2 black in color parents.Look up ALBINO you will see them.Yes Europeans are Albinos created from black parents if you didn’t come through us again where did you come from? The only other answer outer space,then the non-HUEMANS are ALIENS?Peace yall these MUTANTS be buggin’ 20 years of research.My story is correct.And haven’t scratched the surface of all i’ve studied.So you are going to have to come correct to talk to knowledge.So Alice you can’t tell me about my history,since none of your people created it,non of it.Peace to all MUTANT ALBINOS.I can say that cause my great,grandmother had your affiction she was a ALBINO,Black but without color her mother black in color,father Albino you call white. we got our color back she married a black man ,all her children were dark.They mated with black women & men.Now we back to our former self, colored. Albinos that keep mating with Albino produce a mutation of a mutation 4 times that’s whites.Hope that helps you all.
Two studies by Rosenberg et al. 2002 and Wilson et al. 2001 failed to detect any sub-Saharan admixture in Scots (from Orkney), Russians, Basques, Frenchmen or Italians (from Lombardy, Tuscany and Sardinia), while 1% was observed in Norwegians. More recently, Bauchet et al. 2007 tested several European groups for black admixture, and while cluster membership coefficients are not provided, the chart of Bayesian cluster results shows admixture levels to be equally low in Greeks, Spaniards (from Valencia), Basques, Frenchmen, Southern Italians, East English, West Irish, Poles, Germans (from Hanover) and Finns.
A similar study by Auton et al. 2009, which also contains an admixture analysis chart but no cluster membership coefficients, shows little to no sub-Saharan African influence in a wide array of European samples, i.e. Albanians, Austrians, Belgians, Bosnians, Bulgarians, Croatians, Cypriots, Czechs, Danes, Finns, Frenchmen, Germans, Greeks, Hungarians, Irish, Italians, Kosovars, Latvians, Macedonians, Netherlanders, Norwegians, Poles, Portuguese, Romanians, Russians, Scots, Serbians, Slovakians, Slovenians, Spaniards, Swedes, Swiss (German, French and Italian), Ukrainians, United Kingdom and Yugoslavians.
Alice
What are the haplogroups that were detected in Europeans which indicated a non-black admixture?
What do you mean by black admixture?
Do genetic haplogroups indicate colour?
What is the oldest haplogroup of the male Y-DNA carried by all male alive today and where did it evolve?
What is the oldest mtDNA (female DNA) and where did that evolve?
Thanks
Jahdey
Hi Jahdey – You might find this interesting. It is about some African dna discovered in some men in the North of England. It also briefly explains about how they can tell where people’s dna originates and when. I also didn’t mention black admixture and said nothing about colour but geneticists can tell where people’s ancestors come from. I’ll comment more later in the week.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/01/070124-british-genes.html
Hi Alice
You might find this even more interesting and scholarly:
“…the genetic variation in Europeans and Asians are actually sub-sets of the African variation…” See http://www.understandingrace.org/humvar/race_humvar.html
Jahdey
Jahdey, peace been checking out your comments.U are definitely a third eyer, u can see,can see this.In my studies,i came across a people that were called the CAGOTS.Now after we HUEMANS were afficted with Leprosy-Albinism (same thing) the main characteristic of which the bible states,there were several blacks in the book that had the disease of leperosy(when we HUEMANS turn white) Moses,Miriam, Larazus,and Naaman the Syrian,a few that they say had the disease of turning white as snow, cursed.No pineal gland function.
This is what was said of these people: The cagots were a persecuted & despised minority found in the west of France & Northern Spain: the Navarrese Pyrenees, Basque provinces, Bearn, Gascony, & Brittany. Evidence of the group goes back as far as AD 1000.
The CAGOTS were shunned & hated. They were required to live in separate quarters in towns, called cagoteries, which were on the outskirts of the villages.Cagots were excluded from all political & social rights.They were only allowed to enter a church by a special door.Either they were altogether forbidden to partake of the sacrement, or the Eucharist was handed to them on the end of a stick.They had to wear a distinctive dress, which a foot of a goose or a duck was attached (whence they were called Canards).So pestilential was their touch considered that it was a crime for them to walk the common road barefooted or to drink from the same communion cup as non-cagots.It goes on to say they are not an ethnic,nor religious group.They kept the same language,& religion as the people in the area. The only distinguishing feature was their descent from families identified as CAGOTS.The reasons given why they were hated included them being cretins,lepers,heretics,cannibals,to simply being intrinsically evil.
It was suggested that they were descendants of the visigoths,& the name cagot derives from caas (dog) and “Goth”. upon research caas, caca cack all meant poop,excrement,just plain shit. Goth, Barbarian,the main focus is a theory that the cagots were descendants of moorish soldiers left over from the 8th century Muslim invasion of Spain & France ,key word moor,darkly colored folk, jet black in color. No doubt HUEMAN in origin.Another they were from cathars,who had been persecuted for heresy in the Albigensian Crusade, the albinos.Yet another says they are from viking invaders.Huemans were the first everybody. Now it gets interesting. The early mention of them is from 1288,when they appear to have been called Chretiens or Christianos.Another theory says they were the first to convert to christianity. A possible explaination of their name chretiens or christianos is found in the fact that in midieval or midevil times all LEPERS were known as pauperes christi, & that, whether Visigoths or not, these cagots were affected in the middle ages with a particular form of leprosy or condition resembling it, such as psoriasis.
Now check it out go to leprosy now that was huemans, the common thing the bible says is when u get this disease caused by the bacteria mycobacterium leprae, u lose pigmentation, become cursed turn white. Called Hansen’s Disease now. The alleged physical appearance & ethnicity of the cagots varied, some local legends(especially those that held to the leper theory) indicated they had blonde hair & blue eyes,that’s 3rd or 4th stage albino. the last stage white hair,pink eyes. And along with all of this look at cretin & cretinism. Think u will see some folk we all know. They also go on to say they had no distinguishing features at all.They could blend in with the rest of the albinos (humans),and after 8 centuries of persecution, they tended to be more skillful & resourceful than the surrounding populations, & more likely to emigrate to America. They’re here. And revenge was sweet. Now we HUEMAN BEINGS are the cagots.Separate fountains and all, one said ” white only” the other “colored only”. And in every story of our encounter with whites what was the first they all say? When we HUEMANS came in contact with human beings from the caves or europeans we always were wiped out,or almost from the diseases they carry. I conclude we have been duped by the lepers. Queen Elizabeth’s 3 great grandmother was an African they have lost all african features,they are suppose to be colored. Queen Sophie the black Queen and George had 15 mulatto children,of course we know they were HUEMAN.LOOK at the royal family now lepers.So the Queen now sits on a throne of a African woman, a counterfeit throne. They are CAGOT. PEACE.