Chinese come from Africa, just like the rest of us
Posted: Thursday, May 12, 2005
CNA, HONG KONG
An international study has found that the Chinese people originated not from “Peking Man” in northern China, but from early humans in East Africa who moved through South Asia to China some 100,000 years ago, Hong Kong’s Ming Pao daily reported yesterday in a finding that confirms the “single origin” theory in anthropology.
According to the newspaper, a research team led by Jin Li (of Fudan University in Shanghai has found that modern humans evolved from a single origin, not multiple origins as some experts believe.
In China, school textbooks teach that the Chinese race evolved from “Peking Man,” based on a theory that humans in Europe and Asia evolved from local species.
But Jin and his fellow researchers found that early humans belonged to different species, of which only the East African species developed into modern humans.
This new finding nullifies the theory that the ancestors of the Chinese people were “Peking Man” who lived in northern China 400,000 years ago.
Based on DNA analyses of 100,000 samples gathered from around the world, a number of human families evolved in East Africa some 150,000 years ago, said Li Hui, a member of Jin’s team.
About 100,000 years ago, some of those humans began to leave Africa, with some people moving to China via South and Southeast Asia, Li said.
According to the newspaper article, it has been proven that the “65 branches of the Chinese race” share similar DNA mutations with the peoples of East and Southeast Asia.
It said that the Shanghai scientists were part of an international team comprised of researchers from Russia, India, Brazil and other nations in a five-year project studying the geographic and genealogical routes related to the spread and settlement of modern humans.
The Bible clearly informs us that mankind originated in African. For God to choose Africa, proves all who are against Africa (in any way and for any reason) is not following the Spirit of God, but the spirit of Satan. Once all mankind was united in complete harmony, even speaking one language (read the book of Genesis). Sadly, in the past our “white” brothers and sisters chose to repeatedly esteem themselves higher than the rest of us–especially the “blacks”; and many still do so now. Jesus Himself said, “The first shall be last and the last shall be first.” So to all my brothers and sisters searching for and embracing truth and love, don’t let the ignorance of those attempting to make themselves first provoke you. God is still in control, and those who have been oppressed–well their descendants are steadily rising by His hand. President Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. is evidence enough of this shift.
Thank you,.
This is a study I have been following the last 20 years. It is indeed a wonderful day where we can begin to see how we are not separate from each other and celebrate the humanity in all of us.
I remember a time where it was told that Africans were heathens, not human, and had no considerable contribution to the societies of earth other than SLAVERY! Now today we can see through science that nothing could be further from the truth!
This ongoing debate that is occurring through scientist is part of an ongoing debate that preceded modern science. Fortunately for humanity scientific discoveries have done nothing but undo much of the assumed positions Racist have taken all over the world.
Today we can clearly see a means to embrace each other in love and respect rather than continue fighting and oppressing each other based on prior ideas of race, color and culture!
I wish to continue on this path!
ONE!
hellenian white race originate from andromeda, blacks were brought here from syrius, chinese is the hybrydized race made by the evil draconians(lizard looking) race(so called gods in bible) which kept on raping the white race women creating white lizard race the chinese, if u warship darwin i am questioning your inteligence
here is more
hellenandchaos.blogspot.com
Go to lamu east africa and you will find adults and children with exceptional chinese looks.They are not really common but it is quite noticable
First, everybody originated from Africa from 50,000 to 100,000 years ago. But when civilizations (culture, language identity, even the homogenous appearance of people) in various parts of the world came into existence, those people evolved far away from their original African phenotype. Europeans about 5000 years ago were fairly light skinned and appear as they do today. So does the many Asian people with their honey skinned/tawny complexion and almond-shaped eyes. Did the Europeans and Asians who came together respectively in their parts of the world and create a civilization appear like the Africans of today? No. Did they appear like the Africans 5000 years ago, no, probably not.
If you actually go to legitimate web sites (Anthropological Web Sites, Forensic-Based Websites, Medical/Genetic websites) and not these “centrist” websites, you will learn that over 10,000 Years ago, the so-called Europeans, Middle-Easterners, Asians, etc. began “evolving” away from their African roots. In fact, their DNA began to show slight changes as to give them their respective phenotype as seen today.
Lastly, here is a question for all you Black Centrists. Did the Ancient Africans from 50,000~100,000 years ago appear like they do today? I don’t think, with the exception of the complexion of the skin. As the various peoples in their various parts of the planet evolved, so did the Africans who remained in AFrica/Sub-Sahara Africa. Just think about it, and if you have any doubts, start taking Biology Classes, Genetic Classes, and Evolution classes. You’ll get more out of it and you’ll understand science better than before, and you’ll most likely learn to make your own hypothesis rather than to blindly use someone else’s hypotheses and theories.
Lastly, just because some images of modern day Africans look Asian or Chinese does not mean that one group of people gave rise to the other. You would have to find the person in the picture, take his DNA, and compare it with the DNA of Modern Africans and Asians/Chinese.
Remember, Science is objective, not Subjective. Something that appears like something else does mean crud unless forensic tests and scientific method has been applied to it.
First Mysteryman, I do not think you originated from Africa. Some did but not everyone.
Second, DNA mutation is not the same thing as evolution. Y DNA mutation is just a sex gene marker and is not determinative of phenotype.
Third, you are rambling and fumbling with notions you barely understand. The early Europeans were black people that looked like Africans. Go and study instead of sounding like some retard.
Fourth, Prof Jin Li a noted chinese geneticist has demonstrated that early chinese were Africans. You have no qualification or expertise whatsoever to take on the researched peer-reviewed work of a famous scientist. You would be a fool to attempt to refute Prof Jin Li with your incomplete understanding of history, genetics and evolution.
Again you should go spend some study time and learn something real instead of sounding off like some demented inmate of an assylum.
Jahdey
Mutation is the integral part of Evolution.
Mystery Man
As graduate of Biochemistry, I dont wish to impress you but I do wish to impress upon you that your statement is scientifically incorrect.
Ethnicities are not a seoperate species, there is no potential difference between the races medically all over the world we use the same medical processes, and history has taught us several times that culture is not a basis for inhibiting the movements between peoples.
Phenotype is not genotype, how you look is a localised expression of genes selected in order to protect from the Sun.. . There has been no “evolving” away from the African phenotype, that is nonsense else using your obscure logic, we could say redheads are a race.
Race is actually a social construct and not a scientifically deduced categorisation for Man, as such any deductions based upon that premise will themselves be easily undermined, as is the case therefore with your overly simplistic and rather ignorant rant.
You then make attempt to disprove a ridiculously proferred link between the people of Africa Today and the ancient Chines and Europeans , but the truth is that all populations of the world have and are mixed. and even 800 years ago if you do the maths every human being was cumulatively a component of 67m people. Clearly then it is unlikely given the number that any individual on earth is a pure anything, its actually mathematically impossible.
Legitimate websites absolutely do not proffer notions of any “Evolution away” to do so is to remain naive to the process of genetic distribution. Nature has an excellent way of enabling adjustments to the environment. DNA damage and cancer are big enough reasons to enable selectivity of any random phenotype. A lack of sunlight and restricted diet meant vitamin D production for bone development amongst other associated issues drove the need to lighten the skin and enable better light absorbtion required for Vitmain D production. None of these process were linked to other issues promoting changes. These are localised adaptations, not evolutionary forks in the path of humanity.
hey dude as a grad of bio chem. ur an idiot all nations of the human family come from black people european’s asian’s and arab’s are all descendants of the original black people of the planet earth…to put it plain and simple, white’s asian’s and arab’s are basically nations of cross bred albinos that relocated from a warm climate to a tolerable invironment…this has nothing to do with evolution you ill educated sun of a unowut a black man and woman can give birth to a blond haired blue eyed thin blooded weak boned you get the picture white (albino)child in nine months from this very moment… now it would take time to create a nation of albinos but i’ll have you know mr.bio/chem major our planet is much much older than your books have told you,tan,yellow,red,brown etc. are shades of black…black is the root of creation you can not have any other color with out having black first mix all colors together you get black and that’s as elementary as i can put it all nations of the human family are definitley the offspring planet earths original black people blacks carry every facial structure,hair texture,skin tone, etc. known to man thats why to this day the black people still love you even though you do not love them
I love you know the truth about white skin,snow white or white as snow is not a mythological white lie 2kings5 white skin conception,clue mystery solve. NEXT!!
Wow, you must be a master geneticist. I must take off my hat and bow to an eccentric, illogical, arrogant, and delusional Afro-Centrist, who, like the rest of your kind, has a tendency to manipulate the words of other people and miscontrue the meaning of words that you don’t understand.
I happen to be a medical student, studying at an accredited United States Medical College. I know a bit more about genetics than you. Further, I actually understand scientific writing. If you read my earlier post, you would realize that I wrote that all people originate from Africa from about 50,000~100,000 years ago. That next thing I mentioned is consistent with what Dr. Jin-Li said in his paper. Further, he mentions that 100,000 years ago, Africans migrated out of it to areas of Europe and Asia. Since we are on the topic of China, I am going to recapitulate what I said earlier. Some of these migrants arrived in China and settled down. Around 10,000 years ago, DNA mutations occurred. As a result, the inhabitants of China began to change their phenotype due to the non-fatal DNA mutations. Eventually, because the groups of people lived within marrying distance, these DNA mutations or genes, if you will, were easily perpetuated within the region of modern day China. Modern day Chinese look more like these people with the new mutations than their original African counterparts. Apparently, if you actually took the time to read my post closely and react like an animal, you will realize that my post actually has validity. Further, if you took the time to read legitimate scientific literature carefully, interpret them, and understand them, you will realize there is more logic in this hypothesis than anything that your Centrist colleagues have expressed. In fact, the notion that people migrated out of AFrica, settled into their respective regions of the planet, and continued to evolve into the people we see as we do now is more rational and more accepted in fields of anthropology, biology, human evolution, and genetics than your foolish belief that BLACK Africans (like the ones we see today in Sub-Sahara Africa) were the people to give rise to the Chinese Civilization (from the time of the Xia, Shang, etc.).
Just as a side note, Evolution relies on DNA mutations. You like to denigrate me, yet, you are the one with limited knowledge and an inflated Ego. You mention that Evolution and DNA mutations are not related. But if you actually studied SCIENCE, Not AFROCENTRIC PSEUDOSCIENCE, you will realize that Evolution relies on DNA mutations for it to occur. The DNA mutations, which occurs in the genes, must be non-fata and passed onto consecutive generations. That alone, is one way of how evolution works. Apparently, you do not and probably cannot understand how biology, genetics, and evolution work.
You take subjective opinions and other people’s hypotheses and either feed off of them, or you manipulate what’s been said to make it appear to support your bogus ideas. I am not going to reply to anything else you say, JAHDEY, because you just don’t have the intelligence to understand anything related to science and the scientific method. Keep reading your Centric papers, and keep believing that you know something when in reality, you don’t.
Exactiy mystery man, you talk about yourself and your kind. Something we call pojection in psychiatry. You are a liar and created to lie. Lie as much as you can and as long as you can . We do understand your need
Pathetic… your need to lie about your qualification tells us everything we need to know about you. The quality of your English and the stupidity of your Far Right ideas and notions is embarrassing because clearly with those views you are Caucasian. Please just hide away and read… its not an insult or a direction, just some help man…
Mysteryman Pseudo-medical student
You are not a medical student cause you just committed an unforgivable faux pas.
Y-DNA mutations do not affect the phenotypes of the bearers. To have that come out of your mind, tells me you either have no mind at all, or your mind power is very weak.
That unforgivable mistake demonstrates that you are not even a high school student of science not to talk of Med School. You are a pink punk that hangs desperately on discredited so-called white supremacy theory for self-validation.
I will ignore the rest of your demented babbling as I give you some real history.
So your little unschooled mind told you that Chinese of today “evolved” from Africans of yesterday? Well my dear fool, read this article from a Taiwanese Newspaper about the little African (your so-called Blacks) people that civilized the Mongol hordes. This was written by Chinese for Chinese in Taiwan-China:
Published on TaipeiTimes
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/feat/archives/2004/11/27/2003212815
In honor of the Little Black People
The Saisiyat tribe of Hsinchu and Miaoli will perform a solemn rite this weekend to commemorate a race of people that they exterminated
By Jules Quartly
STAFF REPORTER
Saturday, Nov 27, 2004,Page 16
Xiangtian Lake is one of two places to see the ritual. Drinking, singing and dancing are expected to take place deep in the mountains of Miaoli and Hsinchu when the “Ritual of the Little Black People” is performed by the Saisiyat tribe once again this weekend.
For the past 100 years or so, the Saisiyat tribe has performed the songs and rites of the festival to bring good harvests, ward off bad luck and keep alive the spirit of a race of people who are said to have preceded all others in Taiwan.
In fact, the short, black men the festival celebrates are one of the most ancient types of modern humans on this planet and their kin still survive in Asia today. They are said to be diminutive Africoids and are variously called Pygmies, Negritos and Aeta. They are found in the Philippines, northern Malaysia, Thailand, Sumatra in Indonesia and other places.
Chinese historians called them “black dwarfs” in the Three Kingdoms period (AD 220 to AD 280) and they were still to be found in China during the Qing dynasty (1644 to 1911). In Taiwan they were called the “Little Black People” and, apart from being diminutive, they were also said to be broad-nosed and dark-skinned with curly hair.
After the Little Black People — and well before waves of Han migrations after 1600 — came the Aboriginal tribes, who are part of the Austronesian race. They are thought to have come from the Malay Archipelago 6,000 years ago at the earliest and around 1,000 years ago at the latest, though theories on Aborigine migration to Taiwan are still hotly debated. Gradually the Little Black People became scarcer, until a point about 100 years ago, when there was just a small group living near the Saisiyat tribe. The story goes that the Little Black People taught the Saisiyat to farm by providing seeds and they used to party together.
“Tribal disputes later lead to warfare”. The Saisiyat killed off by the little Black People over time. Just two Little Black People survived. Before departing eastward, they taught the Saisiyat about their culture and passed down some of their songs, saying if they did not remember their people they would be cursed and their crops would fail.
The Saisiyat kept their promise and have held the Ritual of the Little Black People every year, though they scaled down the ceremonies during the Japanese colonial period (1895 to 1945). Now the ritual is held every two years on the 10th full moon of the lunar calendar, with a big festival once every 10 years. At this time, the Saisiyat are not supposed to fight and they congregate in their ancestral areas of Miaoli and Hsinchu, in the mountains.
“I’ve seen it written of as a celebration, but to me it seemed quite a mournful affair, especially in the way the music came across, which was trancelike, a haunting kind of chant with a series of 10 to 15 songs,” said long-term Taiwan resident Lynn Miles, who has been to the ritual three times and will be going again this year.
“There’s nothing else quite like it in its tone and in its mood. I’ve been to other festivals but this is non-stop.”
Miles said the dances were not set pieces but usually involved holding hands and moving around in a circle, chanting, with those who know the songs doing most of the singing and a shaman figure keeping order.
A spokeswoman at the Council of Indigenous Peoples (under the Executive Yuan) said that those who have “unclean thoughts” have their souls snatched by the spirits of the Little Black People and will pass out until the shaman revives them.
Miles said the shaman seemed to serve a public-order function by chasing off those who were too drunk or out of order.
The ceremonies are held in two places. The ritual began yesterday in Nanchuang Township, Miaoli County, and will carry on there until Monday. Rituals start today in Wufeng Township, Hsinchu County, and will last through tomorrow.
Getting there:
To Wufeng:
Route 122 to Wufeng can be accessed off No. 1 Highway near Toufen.
To Nanchuang:
Take western No. 1 Highway. Near Toufen, take Route 124 toward Sanwan to Nanchuang. Shuttle buses will take visitors to the ritual site at Xiangtian Lake.
Y-DNA mutation does not affect phenotype. Any high school student of biology would explain that to you. But that is way above your illiterate mind.
MYSTERY MAN
REMAIN A MYSTERY, BECAUSE WITH ALL THAT TEXT BOOK CRAP WE ARE STILL HAVING ALL THESE ENDLESS DISEASE DUE TO LIE OF MODERN SCIENCE AND THEIR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH AND HONOURING AND RESPECTING THE FOUNDATION THAT WAS ALREADY SET BY THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE.
IN THEIR FANTASY THE TRIED TO RECREATE WHAT WAS ALREADY PERFECT AND DESTROYED LIVES, NATURE AND THEMSELVES. LOOK AT THE CONDITION THE EARTH IS IN DUE TO DECEPTION OF A SET OF PEOPLE WHO WANTS POWER AND DO NOT HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO CREATE OR MAINTAIN IT NATURALLY,
THE ANCIENT KHAMITES(EGYPTIANS) RESPECTED NATURE AND DID NOT DESTROY THE LAND BECAUSE THEY KNEW THEY ARE ONE WITH THE EARTH AND TO DESTROY THE EARTH IS TO LITERALLY DESTROY YOURSELF.
ALL THE KNOWLEDGE OF MODERN SCIENCE PROVEN OVER AND OVER AGAIN LEADS BACK TO THE EGYPTIANS. I MEAN THE FOUNDATION UPON WHICH IT WAS BUILT WAS BORROWED FROM THEM BUT TWISTED TO REFLECT EVIL AND DESTRUCTION IN EVERWAY. LOOK AT THE CRISIS THE WORLD IS IN DUE TO A SET OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LEAD AND DON’T HAVE THE (KA) TO DO SO.
JAHDEY DON’T WASTE YOUR TIME RESPONDING TO PEOPLE LIKE MYSTERY MAN, PLEASE USE DIVINE DIPLOMACY YOU ARE INTELLIGENT BROTHER.
JUST DIRECT THEM TO THE LIGHT JAHDEY…..
HOTEP, SHALOM, IRIE
Although I said I wouldn’t reply, I think I should. I did not mention anything about the Y chromosome. And for your information, the Y Chromosome does influence phenotype. Do you even know what a Phenotype is? It is obvious that you don’t know genetics. The Y-Chromosome is responsible for testosterone and male characteristics. READ, Just READ. Don’t just read my post, but read a genetics book. And second, so what if there were Pygmies in Asia? Were they responsible for creating the Chinese Culture, language, and civilzation from about 3000 BCE to the present? No. Could they have contributed something to Chinese Culture and Civilization? Maybe.
Now, I got better things to do than argue with an foolish Centrist who, being the arrogant fool, pretends he knows something, disparages intellectual remarks, and claims to know many things about evolution, anthropology, and science. Keep spreading your illogical propaganda, and you will ensure that your kind will remain ignorant.