Black African Origins Of The Ancient Greeks Parts 1 and 2
By: Dr. Anu Mauro
It was common knowledge in ancient times that the Greeks were a spin-off of ancient and most revered Ethiopians. The Greeks themselves recorded their much vaunted relationship with the ancient Ethiopians heros in their holy books which narrate accounts of mythological Ethiopian derived heros such as
Hercules, Persus, Athene, Cassopia, Andromeda etc.
Below are some relevant myths (edited) with ‘exploratory’ notes.
ONE
MYTH NO. 8 –THE GREEK MYTHS: VOLUME 1
THE BIRTH OF ATHENE
According to the Pelasgians, the goddess Athene was born beside Lake Tritonis in Libya, where she was found and nurtured by the three nymphs of Libya, who dress in goat-skins. As a girl she killed her play-mate, Pallas, by accident, while they were engaged in friendly combat with spear and shield and, in token of grief, set Pallas’s name before her own. (hence the name PALLAS ATHENE) — Pg. 44
NOTE ON TEXT — By Robert Graves
1. Plato identified Athene, patroness of Athens, with the Libyan god-dess Neith, .. the aegis…. a magical goat-skin bag containing a serpent and protected by a Gorgon mask, was Athene’s long before Zeus claimed to be her father. Goat-skin aprons were the habitual costume of Libyan girls, and Pallas merely means ‘maiden’, or ‘youth’. Herodotus writes (iv. 189):
‘Athene’s garments and aegis were borrowed by the Greeks from the Libyan women, who are dressed in exactly the same way, except that their leather garments are fringed with thongs, not serpents.’ Ethiopian girls still wear this costume, which is sometimes ornamented with cowries, a yonic symbol.
— Robert Graves The Greek Myths: Published by Penguin Books
2…….Herodotus indicates that the loud cries of triumph, olulu, ololu, uttered in honour of Athene were of Libyan origin. . — Robert Graves: The Greek Myths.
NOTE by Anu Mauro
3. This noise producing activity in our time is now actually called
‘ullulation.’ It is the yodel like celebratory cry quite common all
across south Saharan Africa among contemporary African female populations.
Also use of this cry is still retained in the African descended cultures in the Levant (Palestine Syria Egypt etc. ) –Anu Mauro.
NOTE ON TEXT — By Robert Graves
4. Pottery finds suggest a Libyan immigration into Crete as early as 4000 B.C. ; and a large number of goddess-worshipping Libyan refugees from the Western Delta seem to have arrived there when Upper and Lower Egypt were forcibly united under the First Dynasty about the year 3000 B.C. The First Minoan Age began soon afterwards, and Cretan culture spread to Thrace and
Early Helladic Greece. —- Robert Graves The Greek Myths: 1
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PART TWO
But then who were the Libyans and how are they also connected to Perseus and Andromeda and Ethiopians? …especially bearing in mind that Chemmis, located on the Nile was the name given to ancient Egypt and also translates as black or charred and that the entire continent of Africa west of Egypt
was know as Lybia in ancient times. The two word answer is ‘origins’ and ‘ancestry.’
GREEK MYTH 60 –THE GREEK MYTHS: VOLUME 1
BELUS AND THE DANAAIDS
a. KING BELUS, who ruled at Chemmis in the Thebaid, was the son of Libya by Poseidon, and twin-brother of Agenor. His wife Anchinoe daughter of Nilus, bore him the twins Aegyptus and Danaus, and a third son third son, Cepheus.
Aegyptus was given Arabia as his kingdom; but also subdued the country of the Melampodes, (blackfeet) and named it Egypt after himself.
b. Fifty sons were born to him of various mothers: Libyans, Arabians, Phoenicians, and the like. Danaus, (who was) sent to rule Libya, had fifty daughters called the Danaids, also born of various mothers: Naiads, Hamadryads. Egyptian princesses of Elephantis and Memphis, Ethiopians, and the like.
c. On Belus’s death, the twins quarrelled over their inheritance, and as a conciliatory gesture Aegyptus proposed a mass-marriage between the fifty princes and the fifty princesses. Danaus, suspecting a plot would not consent and when an oracle confirmed his fears that Aegyptus had it in his mind to kill all the Danaids, prepared to flee from Libya.
d. With Athene’s assistance, he built a ship for himself and his daughters – the first two-prowed vessel that ever took to sea – and they sailed towards Greece together, by way of Rhodes.
i. Aegyptus now sent his sons to Argos, forbidding them to return until they had punished Danaus and his whole family. On their arrival, they begged Danaus to reverse his former decision and let them marry his daughters – intending, however, to murder them on the wedding night. When he still refused, they laid siege to Argos.
j. When the siege was lifted a mass-marriage was arranged, and Danaus paired off the couples: his choice being made in some cases because the bride and bridegroom had mothers of equal rank, or because their names were similar – thus Cleite, Sthenele, and Chrysippe married Cleitus, Sthenelus, and Chrysippus
k. During the wedding-feast Danaus secretly doled out sharp pins which his daughters were to conceal in their hair; and at midnight each stabbed her husband through the heart. There was only one survivor; on Artemis’s advice, Hypermnestra saved the life of Lynceus, because he had spared her maidenhead; and helped him in his flight to the city of Lyncea, sixty furlongs away.
1. The murdered men’s heads were buried at Lema, and their bodies given full funeral honours below the walls of Argos; ….Athene and Hermes purified the Danaids in the Lemaean Lake with Zeus’s permission. Lynceus later killed Danaus, and reigned in his stead.
Meanwhile, Aegyptus had come to Greece, but when he learned lphis sons’ fate, fled to Aroe, where he died, and was buried at Patrae in a sanctuary of Serapis
NOTE ON TEXT — By Robert Graves
l. This myth records the early arrival in Greece of Helladic colonists (from Palestine, by way of Rhodes, and their introduction of agriculture into the Peloponnese. It is claimed that they included emigrants from Lybia and Ethiopia, which seems probable. — Robert Graves The Greek Myths: 1
NOTE ON TEXT — by Anu Mauro
This myth also clearly suggests that the children of Dana-us i.e. the Danaids were of African or Ethiopic origin on both their maternal and paternal sides…note their mothers place origins, as well as the paternal connection with Aegyptus, Cepheus and Belus. –Anu Mauro.
NOTE ON TEXT — by James Brunson
” Throughout the Greek legends, an Africoid or dark-skinned people are associated with Danaus and the Danaids. (The poet) Aeschylus’s, “Suppliant Maidens”, describes the Danides as “Black and smitten by the “sun”. (In the poem) when the Danaids claim an ethnic kinship to Epaphos, son of Zeus, the Argive king Pelops, rebukes them:
Nay, strangers, what ye tell is past belief
For me to hear, that ye from Argos spring
For ye to Libyan women are most like,
And no wise to our native maidens here.””
—- James Brunson : The African Presence in the Ancient Mediterranean: Isles and Mainland Greece Pg. 48 African Presence in Early Europe– Edited by Ivan Van Sertima
NOTE ON TEXT — by Anu Mauro
So this places Ethiopics not only in the early migrant populations that settled in Greece but the Danaid link can also be used to connect Perseus himself to dark skinned Ethiopic elements not to mention Andromeda and her parents . This can be gleaned from the next installment of Greek myth (Part 3) wherein the great-grand father of Perseus, his grandfather as well as his mother are shown to have had Danaaid (hence African) connections.
— Anu Mauro
A few things to say.
One: This comment by jahey… “I asked for referenced sources respecting Andrea’s claim that ancient Greeks were different from Africans based on craniofacial metrics. Andrea could not do so. What a shame for a vituperating Racialist.”
Coming from a man using/contributing to a racist anti-white/pro-black site and trying to culture jack greeks.
Two:
Can we be done with this already? What does Greek culture share with African culture? If we are black or not ( We arent, we say so, evidence says so, only you say so, and since you arent us…or even experts…you dont mean shit) we have little in common, grouping us together based on your (false) genetics is foolish and is turning a blind eye to whats different among us.
This is a product of the slave trade in my opinion, all the bullshit you guys are spewing, because the african slave trade forced african slaves to be stripped of their culture and identity, including names/family history, so you have a culturally stripped people…in american/carribean/etc. countries (you’ll notice not many africans still in africa make these claims often) And because they have no cultural identity, thanks to the opression, they go out searching, and begin to dehumanize others by stripping them of their culture and trying to make it their own, and trying to blow up black influence on the world much larger than it was… The downside to this, of course, is that its a bunch of bullshit.
It’s time to stop lying about history and accept two things:
One. This is history, though it still matters, now it really just eggs on everything…racism and bigotry on both sides, the problem with nationalism from whites or blacks is that it so often distorts facts…but then again we live in a world where Don Imus saying “Nappy Headed Hoes” leads to him getting fired, yet Al Sharpton calling jews “White interlopers” and egging on a riot that eventually got an innocent jewish man KILLED is MINOR, apparently, as he’s still running in vain for president.
2. Africa faded away…most cultures eventually do…Greek culture fused with Roman and is still massively influential…but i’d say thats an exception, because they made a flexible culture that could change…and stay alive…Africans didnt, and Africa was a wasteland (Except northern islamic africa) long before ANY Europeans came knocking, hence why Europeans came in with guns and whatnot and the africans tried to fight them off with SPEARS, so, really, lets not blow semi-modern african pride way the fuck up.
And as a final point, Jahey said something somewhere about him finding it odd that the very people ancient greeks called barbarians are the ones that claim to be the “heirs” of it…two things the matter with that…First you need to understand what barbarian means…its from the greek barbaros which simply means “Non-greek”…so africans were “barbarians” too….and secondly…i’d say that western european people like the French, Germans, and Englishmen are far better suited than African nations to claim Greco-Roman history, since they’re carrying it on much more effectively than any African nation.
Not a fun fact, but a MODERN and TRUE fact.
HEY JAHDEY ARE YOU SURE YOU ARENT A SKOP??? AND ALSO ARE YOU SURE YOU ARENT RETARDED???
what you are saying is pseudo-science that is totally unacceptable in the scientific world because the false studies are totally politically motivated……read below
“Even a cursory look at the papers diagrams and trees immediatly indicates that the authors make some extraordinary claims.
They use a single genetic marker HLA DRB1 for their analysis to construct a genealogical tree and map of 28 populations from Europe, Middle East, Africa and Japan. Using results from the analysis of a single marker particularly one likely to have undergone selection for the purpose of reconstructing geneologies is unreliable and unacceptable pratice in population geneticsâ€
Neil Risch- Stanford University
Alberto Piazza- University of Torino
L. L. Carvalli Sforza- Stanford University
This “research†has nothing to do with science. It is just low anti-Greek propaganda fabricated by anti-Greeks who made up this “research†for political interests in favour of the pseudo-state of FYROM
This “research†is fictious and ridiculous to such a degree, that it was never accepted by any serious scientist and no genealogical approved its publication, so as not to lose their credibility and reputation
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an international research paper published in August 2002 before being dropped and ridiculed due to its flawed research. It was devised by researchers (the team included some Macedonian Slavs) at the Department of Immunology and Molecular Biology in the Universidad Complutense, Madrid, Spain and claimed that Greeks (and Japanese) were shown to have genetic origins in Africa as opposed to Europe. Despite being initially published, the research was finally dismissed in the journal Nature by leading geneticists Neil Risch, Alberto Piazza, and L. Luca Cavalli-Sforza:
“The limitations are made evident by the authors’ extraordinary observations that Greeks are very similar to Ethiopians and east Africans but very distant from other south Europeans; and that the Japanese are nearly identical to west and south Africans. It is surprising that the authors were not puzzled by these anomalous results, which contradict history, geography, anthropology and all prior population-genetic studies of these groups. Surely the ordinary process of refereeing would have saved the field from this dispute.†Nature 415, 115 (10 January 2002)© Macmillan Publishers Ltd.
Ironically the Macedonians (Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia) in the dropped research were found to be a pure race decended directly from the Ancient Macedonians.
NOW I KNOW THE BELOW INFO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GREEKS HAVING AFRICAN DNA BUT I THINK IT HELPS PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU DONT LIKE ACCEPTING FACTS, YOU PREFER TO GO ON AND ON ABOUT BS BECAUSE OF THE FANTASY BELIEF YOU HAVE THAT WILL HURT TOO MUCH IF YOU LET IT GO
The most obvious link between modern and ancient Greeks is the language, which has enjoyed a continuous and documented tradition from at least the 14th century BC to the present day, some 3400 years. There has been no break such as the one between Latin and the modern Romance languages and the only language which enjoys comparable continuity of tradition is Chinese.[15]
Many modern scientists and scholars (e.g. anthropologists like C. Coon and geneticists like Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza) have supported the notion that there is a dominant racial connection to the ancient Greeks. Other scholars, notably popular in Nazi Germany, have supported the refuted theories of the 19th century historian Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer, who claimed that the ancient Greeks genetically disappeared at some point, and as modern Greeks have no genetic or cultural connection to them, Europe owes them nothing. It should be noted that Fallmerayer’s theories specifically aimed at the Greeks of Morea (Peloponnese), which at the time constituted less than a sixth of the overall Greek population, a fact which was being constantly ignored by his later supporters. His essays were refuted by numerous scholars of his time and were characterised by the Bavarian Academy of Sciences and Humanities as biased and unscientific.
YOU FALL INTO THE CATEGORY OF THE NAZI, FACTS DONT LIE ONLY PEOPLE LIKE YOU
<p>Hello Propadandist and Danakis</p>
<p>You both are not Greeks. You have no blood claim to ancient Greece so stop pretending.</p>
<p>The Romans, the Truks and the British, systematically uprooted the once proud ancient peoples of Greece and scattered them all over Anatolia and the middle east, with a few remnants in Europe.</p>
<p>Now, some sick and vile pretentious mice slid up to Rasta site on the internet and try to roar like a lion. Yet, the mice shall not roar like a lion nor the dog like a tiger.</p>
<p>Ye two pathetic wretches should go look for your roots among the neaderthal men of the Germanic caves and stop braying like donkeys.</p>
<p>If you understood history, culture and science…if you had an integrated knowledge of the relevant arts and craft…you would not be sounding so alarmed and panicked. You would not be so bitter at the progressive march of history.</p>
<p>You would have understood that Africans are not begging to be associated with the ancient Greeks. The original posts only recites translated writings of the ancient Greeks attesting to their African origins. </p>
<p>The main post is basically a simple reproduction of an ancient Greek claim.</p>
<p>I do not feel any kinship to your Royal Palenesses. I do not want to be nor do I care that I may be related to you genetically or otherwise. </p>
<p>Guys like you two should be good collection for the anachronistic oddities at Ripley’s Believe it or not Zoo. </p>
<p>As an African, I am not begging for any pathologically sick and ignorant racist brothers or neighbours. </p>
<p>It remains to be said once again, that Ancient Greeks claimed their origins in Africa, modern science claims it to be Anatolia but will immediately explain that ancient Anatolians were actually African immigrants. </p>
<p>Some people would rather say Middle East, but in the ancient times there was no middle east just as there is no middle west. All that zone ever was, is a section of North East Africa populated by African people as historical accounts, genetics and oseteology will confirm for any unbiased minds.</p>
<p>No educated mind will claim an European origin for the ancient Greeks. Only an un-educated slavic beggar, or a barbarian gothic mercenary, would deny the claims made by the very respectable ancestral Greeks themselves of their own African roots.</p>
<p>Jahdey</p>
<p>See more: The Nigerian/Ethiopian Roots of the Ancient Greeks @ Rastalivewire
Ok…Well clearly ancient statues depict…white men and women…we are white men and women…they wrote and spoke greek…we write and speak greek..they had very unique names…we have those same names…and…since its pretty goddamn impossible to uproot an entire civilization and replace them with a bunch of slav drones who just like to pretend…I’d say we’re greeks, and…our ethnic group has always been pretty secure, from ancient to roman times, and onto the byzantines, then under the turks we all have very credible evidence that the greeks never went anywhere, and were always very vocal about who they were…and there were even followers of ancient greek paganism around the city of sparta is laconia well into the 1100’s…I highly doubt someone managed to change everything since then, and since you have no evidence (Credible, anyway.) that such a thing happened, i’m going to go ahead and call you a fucking brainwashed culture thief.
And by the way, I dont believe greeks originated in Europe, it’s more than likely east asian, but not African.
In laconia, not is.*
And what greeks claimed their origin in africa? Herodotus said something on the issue, but then again, Herodotus ALSO said 300 spartans faced 10,000,000 persians and nearly won, and then saw a bunch of ghosts at salamis, so I mean, he was full of shit.
^^
# Danakis replied:
And what greeks claimed their origin in africa…???
Danakis answers himself:
Herodotus said something on the issue….
Jahdey helps out:
Danakis, Herodutus is called the father of history because 90% of the information on ancient Greece was proved by his work: “The History”.
Western historians rely on Herodotus for their historical information on the Persians, the Lydians, the Lybians, the Sythians, etc. There is no more authoritative ancient source than Herodotus except for the Bible and Josephus.
Herodotus was an ancient Greek who visited Africa and spent a long time in Egypt, Ethiopia, Lybia, and the Mahgrib.
Herodotus was an educated ancient Greeks who claimed that all the Greek gods who were said to be the creators of all true Greeks came from Ethiopia.
The Greek religious books which encapsulate their religious and traditional myths testified that their divine ancestors came from the heart of the African continent. Read the original post again…The Black African Origins of the Ancient Greeks… The ancient Greeks who lived in Africa, spoke Kemitic language told us so in their own words.
The Kebra Negast of Ethiopia, one of the oldest of the Ethiopian Books makes allusion to an Ethiopian origin for ancient Greece.
You may be unaware of this but as early as the 2 century B.C., the streets in Ethiopian Axum were designated in both Geeze and Greek language.
The Ethiopians interacted very closely with the Greeks, as well as spoke Greek so extensively that all street names had Greek translation.
Or are you unaware that about 50% of the language of ancient Greeks was African in origin?
You may also not be aware that the so-called “indo-european” languages of the ancient Greeks appeared to have originated in Africa? The Anatolians of Turkey who it is claimed gave the first peoples of Greece are so infused with African genetic material that one can rightly call that place an extension of the African homeland. See Martin Bernal (a Jewish Professor at the University of Cornell). See Clyde Winters a noted linguist who has studied the relationship between African languages and the languages of the Aegean basin.
Do you not know that Greek writing evolved from the works of the Phoenicians who came from Eastern Africa before they settled middle-east? The Phoenicians learned to write from the Egyptians and they had colonized much of southern Europe before the first classical Greek was born? The Phoenicians are the descendants of Ham according to the Bible genealogy and Ham is the archetypal ancestor of the Black Africans? If Phoenicians colonized ancient Greece for hundreds of years, you mean you still cannot see the connections?
Perhaps not. Because you are one little ideological zealot. But your ideology is outdated, outmoded and false.
Besides, since you know in your heart that you have neither genetic nor biological relationship with the ancient Greeks (given that you don’t even know whether your claimed ancestors come from India or Anatolia, or Jerusalem or Ethiopia), perhaps you should go look for your ancestors in the caves of Northern Europe, where their bones and genetic material will confirm your shared barbarian kinship.
Jahdey