African Indians
Compared to the fate of Africans of the Americas, the history of Africans in India is still largely unknown to the west.
There are small communities like Jambur scattered along India’s west coast. They are the home to the descendants of Africans who arrived on theIndian continent thousands of years ago. Many of them travelled there as mercenaries, merchants and sailors.
Sea trade between east and southern Africa, and Gujarat in India was established more than 2,000 years ago.
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Many of India’s kings and princes recruited Africans as their ministers, personal bodyguards, and musicians. In some parts of India and Pakistan Sidis even rose to be powerful generals or kings themselves.
BBC: In pictures: India’s African Communities
Ok slightly off topic, I was watching a video on youtube about the Sentinalese people of the Andaman islands, who are known to be one of the more agressive tribes. Anyway on one of the first “peaceful” encounters with outsiders, a group of Indians came with coconuts on a boat as a gesture of good intentions. They were trying to communicate to the islanders by saying “Lam, Lam” which means come here in another andaman language.
Straight away i was shocked for three main reasons. One, I know for a fact that in a few north solomon languages “Lam” also means come here. Two, I realised that these people shared a mixture of African and Bougainvillean / Solomon Island appearance. ( also the andaman islands are roughly halfway between Africa and Bougainville) . The third reason I was shocked was, even though some scientists claim that oceanic people have different genetic make up to Africans, the fact that some languages are similar might prove that some people in the Pacific are of more recent african ancestry than previously thought. Who knows? Just google image search for Bougainvillean and Andaman Islanders and you’ll see for yourself the similarities.
If this where true once apon a time this group of people (possibly of more recent African decent than previously thought) occupied the whole area stretching from Africa all the way to the Pacific ocean. Well, either that or they sailed there. I just found it interesting because i see similarities in Bougainvillean and Africans (the people of Bougainville are darkest skinned people in the Pacific who have been described as being so black they look blue) They are classed as melanesians but are easily distinguishable to other melanesians from New Guinea all the way to Fiji whose people ethnically are a mixture of these original dark people and south east asians, Indians, polynesians and micronesians.
Great information, thanks!
Sensirebel, did you use the aid of a magnifying glass to deem these people Bougainvillean? The quality of the Youtube video is poor and the people just look black. Hard to make comparisons. Be careful!
Nubians were in Indi-Kwush long before these mixture of caucasians in India Calling themselves indians. The word indian is not a race of people. The word indian means an indigenous person of that land!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! These people ruling present day india aren’t the original people of that land, and they know it!!!!!!!!
@ATUM RE
You’re an idiot, how can you say such a thing without any sources ?!?
Do you think that the actual black people are really from Africa ?!?
(Source: Maurice Delafosse, les noirs de l’Afrique)
No, that ain’t their country either !
The Ethiopians are the descents of the Dravidians, who were known as great sailors.
Has Africa left anything Worth something ? Like Stonehedge or whatever ?
All the Africans tribal languages are very similar to Hindi, do you know why ?
It looks like none of your guys have done some proper research (Google ain’t that reliable you know)
Thus, I don’t understand that most blacks on that forum are so protective when lightly attacked and agressive in return ?
If Africa was one of the lowest ever civilization, stop blaming the caucasians for it, It means that you were weak to get fucked like that innit ?
Now It’s easy to run your mouth to invent & create some historical facts !
Egyptians also weren’t black Africans you bunch of illiterate !
Damn, Wake up guys, the only one that makes sense on that forum is that dude sayin’ that we’re one people, end of .
But anyway, hate me or not, fuck it !
BLACKS ARE COMPLEXED and that’s a fact, now stop chattin’ shit about a great nation like India, who has done more in a century that Africa has done in ten centuries !
We taught you guys how to cook your food, how to write, how to behave in society… Now you insult us ?
How dare you, scum ! Your ancestors know the truth, you’re just a bunch of idiots reacting with racism and hate, you’re as bad as the white people, It’s all good though, that’s why they’ve been fucking you over all this time !
Tchiiiiiiiiiiiip (So that you can understand what I mean, ha ha ha !)
From the words you say, I can already imagine how miserable your soul shall be when it leaves this world. Fortunately, just like anyone of us, it will. Yes, fortunately.
Idiot! So I guess there are no great pyramids in Nubia, right? Nothing in Nigeria, Mauritania, and no structure in nabta playa as well? Look up “Black Genesis: the prehistoric origins of Egypt”. How did we do nothing great? In order for you to say Africa has contributed nothing you have to have the competency of a 3month old infant. Or maybe you have lissencephaly? Please provide the sources for your claim that Africa has contributed nothing.
The pinks have came and screwed you in India as well. This is why u can’t stand the fact that there are black Indians. Dravidians are Africans you dumb shit!!! All life began in Africa.
Do u think you all were the first to invent languages or something? Is that what you are trying to say about Hindi being similar? Lmao!! Summerians were first to invent written language. Do you know from whence they came? AFRICA!! Do you know where the first civilizations were found? AFRICA!! Have they found anything older than Lucy in any other place? NEGATIVE!!! Go look up “The African Origin of Civilization: Myth or Reality”. Written by Cheikh Anta Diop and learn something factual.
Man you are one sad soul.
im mixed with black and pakistan, and i also have a twin. and we are mainly more accepted by the black population, rather than pakistani one. my dadleft when we where young, and he remarried and have 3 other kids whom are fully pakistani. it hurts sometimes to be looked down upon.
I Have always known there was a relationship between India and Africa. I have been to India 12 times between 1971-2007. I was very surprise to hear about the Siddi people, and the many other tribal groups who look like African. It is too bad that most light skinned Indians associate themselves with white people. They need to recognize their Yellow, Brown and Black Brothers. I am hoping to visit India next 2011, to visit many of these tribal groups, which has African roots. India is a country of many races. many looks, from frizzy, wooly, curly, wavey to straight hair, noses which are broad, flat and pointed. No one is better than the other people. People should be based upon character, morals and value.
The fair skinned Indians – it has been said- are foreign to India as they came down from Russia centuries ago; had only the horse and bow and arrow, mixed with the local black population – after centuries of miscegenation – declared themselves a caste and went about lording it over the rest of the population – they are part foreign and part miscegenation – like the Albinos of Africa… ha ha ha ! mongrels
actually in india many people look down upon these Black Siddis.
But in pakistan Abdul Ghafoor become captain of their football team!
google Siddi and look at the famous siddis in pakistan, there is a lot of them.
the global reach through maritime technology available to VERY ancient civilizations has relevance to this discussion. The Indus valley civilization contact with east african civilizations occurred well before the so called aryan invasions of the indian sub continent which is under discussion here. There is no evidence at all of any form of advanced maritime technology or seafaring originating from india in very ancient times,(exception noted later in this communication, see below) but there is very much evidence of Khemite or Egyptian seafaring technology going back at least 4,000 years. Present day Hindus have some curious negative ideas about the ocean in general and Indians have not been among the early great seafarer peoples despite their significant abilities and contributions in science, engineering, mathematics and astronomy. The melanesian (african)seafarers who undertook great voyages into the western and central pacific from india , it is postulated,(fiji, solomons, etc.) are of interest. A good research topic is the original fijian/melanesian vessel types that were employed on their great voyages of discovery, massive hardwood timber craft of great seaworthiness. “Phoenician” is a good source of research , partners with the Khemites in global voyages of discovery. One should see in person Cheop’s nile party boat on display at the pyramid site museum in Giza. This vessel was a river boat for the regent’s pleasure?, yet with only slight modifications applicable to ocean voyaging (keel design, sail and masts, ballasting) it i easily has transoceanic capability. Of course various types of boats were being built at the time. The craftsmanship of the reconstructed vessels, which lay in their own special tombs at the base of the great pyramid, is astounding (speaking from professional experience).
Thor Hyerdal was an idiot who tried to demonstrate that the egyptians sailed across the atlantic in reed boats (used by common fisherman on the nile) when even at the time of his dumb writings, archeologists knew full well the egyptians had magnificent wooden vessels with proper sailing rigs!. Or were his motives suspect in suppressing this information by undertaking his idiotic adventures? Right, you can build the great pyramid but not a proper wooden boat to sail in? good luck and have fun finding stuff out. Maybe don’t respond to race baiting posts ? Ignore it. life is short. np
India is a great country . and for them to be greater they need to do away with the caste system and move forward. the world is now realizing that Africa breed a lot of different human species so if Indians want to associate themselves with white they should start checking their DNA. I see most Indians women now bleaching their skin to look white ah ah.you have the color of skin the white wants so why destroy it just because you hate blacks. India needs to stop racism and move forward. i will also go and visit those my black brothers over there and see what i can do to help in their struggle.
i give thanks to all comment’s made and hope one day you all visit st.lucia west indies which is populated by a mixture of black ,indian and a mixture of both which seems to work well for us ,we are a small country with a good social blend of all races ,we dont even have an army as we are united and we watch out for each other ,i myself am a blend of indian and african .We mostly focus on happy party beach fun times here all together rich and poor black and white ,furthermore we don’t tolerate any form of racism i wish the whole world would follow the example of a small island ,you are all welcome to visit for some peace and quiet
indians having kids with blacks in st.lucia ?…that is not true!
@indian
Sorry to break your stupid ignorant bubble but indians are having children with black people i trinidad, jamaica, guyana and even canada and the usa. It seems like you are having a problem with this so i would suggest that you kill yourself as a remedy.