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Original West Africans Of Ancient Greece!!! The Black (First) Europeans III

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Genetic Linkages Between West Africa and Ancient Greece:

HLA genes allele distribution has been studied in Mediterranean and sub-Saharan populations. Their relatedness has been tested by genetic distances, neighbour-joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses.

The population genetic relationships have been compared with the history of the classical populations living in the area. A revision of the historic postulates would have to be undertaken, particularly in the cases when genetics and history are overtly discordant. HLA genomics shows that: 1) Greeks share an important part of their genetic pool with sub-Saharan Africans (Ethiopians and west Africans) also supported by Chr 7 Markers.

The gene flow from Black Africa to Greece may have occurred in Pharaonic times or when Saharan people emigrated after the present hyperarid conditions were established (5000 years B.C.).

2) Turks (Anatolians) do not significantly differ from other Mediterraneans, indicating that while the Asians Turks carried out an invasion with cultural significance (language), it is not genetically detectable.

3) Kurds and Armenians are genetically very close to Turks and other Middle East populations.

4) There is no HLA genetic trace of the so called Aryan invasion, which has only been defined on doubtful linguistic bases.

5) Iberians, including Basques, are related to north-African Berbers.

6) Present-day Algerian and Moroccan urban and country people show an indistinguishable Berber HLA profile.

Authors:

Arnaiz-Villena A, Gomez-Casado E, Martinez-Laso J.

Department of Immunology and Molecular Biology, Universidad Complutense, Madrid, Spain.

Tissue Antigens. 2002 Aug;60(2):111-21.

PMID: 12392505 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]

Article: Population genetic relationships between Mediterranean populations determined by HLA allele distribution and a historic perspective.


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146 thoughts on “Original West Africans Of Ancient Greece!!! The Black (First) Europeans III”

  1. Dave cite a source that challenges the paper, the name of the scientist who rebutted it …you know scholars.

    No generalizations. Specifics, facts. Give me a source. I gave you a sourced reference, rebut it with sources.

  2. They didn’t do their own research work in regards to the Greek genetic material, they used the findings provided by the dubious Arniez-Villena paper. The original source they used is the Arniez-Villena et study, meaning its fruit from the poisonous tree given Arniez-Villena’s work has already been heavily criticized by many of the world’s leading experts in this field. This article published as the original contributor for their Greeks “findings” being Arniez-Villena et , in other words their findings are not only heavily influenced by the Arniez-Villena study but they took them straight from the Arniez-Villena study. They did not even conduct their own tests on tis issue nor did they do independent research, they did not analyze any Greek genetic material, nor did any unbiased laboratory contribute to their research. If you read their paper you would have seen the paper credits with a numerical footnote next to said “Greek findings” the Arniez-Villena et study for their “results”.

  3. # Jahdey replied:
    Dave cite a source that challenges the paper, the name of the scientist who rebutted it …you know scholars.
    February 21st, 2008 at 10:20 pm.

    And David began to jabber:
    # Dave replied:

    They didn’t do their own research work in regards to the Greek genetic material… and blah blah blah…etc etc.

    Jahdey SPEAKS:

    David that is not a peer reviewed reference source I asked for.

    My authority was published in a peer reviewed article: European Journal of Medical Genetics” 2006.

    If you cannot produce one scholarly authority challenging or debunking the finding, then you will have to accept its authority.

    I am waiting…

    “HLA genes in Southern Tunisians (Ghannouch area) and their Relationship with other Mediterraneans.” ”European Journal of Medical Genetics” 2006 January – February 49(1):43-56, “This present study confirms the relatedness of Greeks to Sub-Saharan populations. This suggests that there was an admixture between the Greeks and Sub-Saharans probably during Pharaonic period or after natural catastrophes (dryness) occurred in Sahara.””

  4. This is not a peer review and your ‘authority’ is pseudo on this matter. Ok let me put it for you in more simpler terms so you can understand: the Tunisian study did not analyze any Greek genetic material on their own. So if they didn’t test any Greek subjects independently on their own, where do you think their “Greek results” came from? The answer is in the paper itself. If you read the whole study you would have seen they credit the dubious Arniez-Villena paper for the Greek results, hence its fruit from the poisonous tree given Arniez-Villena’s work has already been heavily criticized by many of the world’s leading experts in this field. End result, they didn’t confirm nor produce anything new regarding the Greek genetic material since they just took the old dubious material found in the Arniez-Villena study.

    ‘Regarding the Arniez-Villena study, Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza-probably the world’s leading expert on studies of this sort-and his colleagues stated, “Using results from the analysis of a single marker, particularly one likely to have undergone selection, for the purpose of reconstructing genealogies is unreliable and unacceptable practice in population genetics.”37 Greeks clustered with other European populations on genetic maps, far from the aggregation of North African and sub-Saharan groups.’- The Gene Wars: Diana Muir Appelbaum ; Paul S. Appelbaum

  5. Dave is running out of arguments:
    ‘Regarding the Arniez-Villena study, Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza-probably the world’s leading expert .. stated,…blah blah blah…jabber jabber…

    JAHDEY SPEAKS:
    I gave you this article by: A. Hajjej et al., “HLA genes in Southern Tunisians(Ghannouch area) and their Relationship with other Mediterraneans.” ”European

    Journal of Medical Genetics” 2006 January – February 49(1):43-56.
    Yet you are jabbering about Arniaz’s article which has been validated over and again except by racist wishful thinkers like you.

    But this one is a different article. The writer of this article is Prof. Hajjej.

    It says Greeks have genes from sub-saharan Africa.
    It was published by European Experts in a Renowned Peer Reviewed European Journal on Genetics.

    Yet you are still jabbering about Arniaz. Address Hajjej’s paper.

    Find me one authority that rebuts its premise or Hajjej’s conclusion.

    Come boy, I am waiting…your time is running out.

  6. The only one jabbering nonsense around here is you, who can’t comprehend the simple fact that Arniez-Villena is being mentioned because that is from where your pseudo Tunisian study takes its information regarding the Greek genetic. Haven’t you ever read or written an actual research paper before? You know where you site your sources with numerical foot notes? Well that is what Prof. Hajjej does in this paper, he sites the dubious work of the Arniez-Villena study in regards to the Greek genetic because that is from where he got it from. The Tunisians did not conduct any studies on Greek subjects. Which brings me to another point: it figures you would totally ignored a major factor in the study that I pointed out which contradicts you on this issue, that being:

    THAT THE TUNISIAN STUDY BY PROF. HAJJEJ DID NOT ANALYZE ANY GREEK GENETIC MATERIAL ON THEIR OWN. SO WHERE DO YOU THINK THEY GOT THEIR CONCLUSIONS FROM, HUH, THE SKY? ARNIEZ-VILLENA IS BEING BROUGHT UP BECAUSE THAT IS FROM WHERE THE TUNISIAN STUDY GOT THEIR DUBIOUS RESULTS REGARDING THE GREEK GENETIC.

  7. JAHDEY demanded:
    Find me one authority that rebuts its premise or Hajjej’s conclusion.
    Come boy, I am waiting…your time is running out.

    Dave is caught, confused and desperate he loses it;
    THAT THE TUNISIAN STUDY BY PROF. HAJJEJ DID NOT ANALYZE ANY GREEK GENETIC MATERIAL ON THEIR OWN.

    JAHDEY SPEAKS: Dave we asked you to provide a referenced source to back up your claim.
    You are too unqualified, too fresh to counter peer reviewed from “Journal of Medical Genetics” on your own.

    This journal is produced by educated European specialists in genetic science. You need sourced peer reviewed authoritative articles to rebut it. PLEASE CITE AN ARTICLE THAT REBUTS THE FOLLOWING CLAIM:

    “HLA genes in Southern Tunisians (Ghannouch area) and their Relationship with other Mediterraneans.” ”European Journal of Medical Genetics” 2006 January – February 49(1):43-56, “This present study confirms the relatedness of Greeks to Sub-Saharan populations. This suggests that there was an admixture between the Greeks and Sub-Saharans probably during Pharaonic period or after natural catastrophes (dryness) occurred in Sahara.””

    Your time is almost up. If you have nothing substantive to cite then say so.

    Jahdey

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