The Black Greeks
To deny the African origin of Grecian civilization the Eurocentrists attack Martin Bernal’s book: Black Athena. This book has nothing to do with Afrocentrism. In the two volumes published thus far, Bernal maintains that Semites from Phoenicia and the Semitic Hyksos speaking rulers of Egypt, took civilization to Greece, not Black Africans.
J.A. Rogers in Sex and Race, Parker, Diop and DuBois on the other hand, are Afrocentric scholars. These scholars have reviewed the writings of the classical authors, the anthropological, linguistic and historical evidence to reach the conclusion that the ancient Greeks were blacks and that the European Greeks learned the liberal arts and sciences from their “black ancestors” who first settled Greece and the Egyptians.
According to the Olympian Creation Myth the earliest groups to appear on earth were the Libyco-Thracians .The Libyans were Proto-Saharans, as were the original Thracians. Some Thracians were descendants of the Kushite and Egyptian troops established at Trace, by Sesostris (Thutmose III or Ramses II), when he conquered Asia and Europe.(Diop 1991; Winters 1983a,1984b,1985a)
Many of the so-called Greek myths are in reality historical texts which show the ancient lifestyle of the pre-Aryans in Greece and the transition from Pelasgian matriarchy to Greek-Aryan patriarchy. The term Amazon was often used by the Aryans to denote matriarchal societies living on the Black Sea. The battle between Thesus and the Amazons, led by Queen Melanippe, records the conflicts between the ancient Aryan-Greeks and the Libyans settled around the Black Sea.
Dr. Lefkowitz (1992) and Snowden (1992,1976) perpetuate the myth that the only blacks in ancient Europe were slaves or mercenaries. This is false the Greek historical works make it clear that many ancient settlers of the Aegean came from Africa , especially the Garamantes and Pelasgians. G. W. Parker wrote that: “I need not go into details concerning the ethnical relations of the Romans, since they, too are Mediterranean and are closely related to the same African confederation of races …[situated in Greece]. Aeneas, their mythical founder of Troy. The Aenead, like the Illiad, and Odyssey and all other of the world’s great epics, is the poetic story dealing with African people”. The heroes of these tales used long shields, the characteristic shields of the Indo-European speaking Greeks were round.
The Eurocentrists attempt to prove there was “considerable cultural and linguistic continuity from the twelfth century to the eight century BC” ,in the Aegean . Yet there is no way it can be proven that Indo-European Greeks have always been in Greece. This view on the continuity between the Linear B Greeks and later Greeks held by Lefkowitz is disputed by Hopper who noted that ” after all, so much which characterizes Minoan Crete seems wholly alien to later Greece, despite the efforts of scholars to detect ‘continuity’ ” ……..
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There weren’t no “black Greeks”. Stop living in fantasy world and come back to reality. Ancient Greek civilization has been Caucasian white not African Negro. Sorry but Winters is not legit ‘professor’ but someone who is spreading lies to make Afrocentric feel better about themselves by connecting them to European civilizations by the way of Greeks and Romans. And yes the Greeks did speak about race, they called black people Ethiopians “black faced” for a reason and it wasn’t because Ethiopians looked like the white Caucasian Greeks.
Theo in Greek means “God”, so don’t get it twisted. Ethiopia still means “the land of the Gods”, just as Herodotus told we. Our ancient philosophers and historians, our historical Orthodox church, our Emperor Qedamawe Haile Selassie, and I man in the flesh all make testimony to the long and loving connection between Ethiopia and Greece. Do I self a favor: roll a likkle spliff, jam some Locomondo or One Drop Forward (Greek Reggae) and feel Irie, brother David.
You post could not have been more ignorant and misleading…Ethiopia is indeed a Greek word, but it’s meaning is -like Dave said- the land of the dark people, and has nothing to do with gods or the land in which gods reside.
The correct spelling in Greek is “AITHIOPIA” which is derived from the two words “AITH” and “OPS/OPSI” which in turn means “dark appearance” i.e. dark complexity of the skin .
If you want to appear smart on the interwebs I suggest you focus more on reading about the Glorious Ancient Greek Civilization and less on jammin’ and “spliffing”.
The labba-labba is over.
* That is “dark complexion of the skin” not “complexity”…
Glad I could be of assistance to you all.
Cheers!
Scott
You are so fake. You say that AITH and OPS mean dark skin in Greek…you are a liar. The ancient Greeks denoted dark with the word “Mela..” like melanine the black gene which you fear so much; like melanesia the black asians; mela…not AITH. So show me other greek words where AITH is used as dark other than in your fake meaning of Aithppia. Atyopya is the land of the Gods …. Have no doubt. The ark of covenant rests therein.
Now go back to smoking your meth.
Jahdey
“So show me other greek words where AITH is used as dark other than in your fake meaning of Aithppia.”
How can I show you other examples when you clearly don’t understand Greek? If you knew how to read Greek you would have found the etymology and meaning of the word and saved yourself from embarrassement!
Visit these links :
http://www.archive.org/stream/alexiconabridge00whitgoog#page/n27/mode/1up
or
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0057%3Aentry%3D*ai)qi%2Foy
or click my name.
If the links do not work do the following:
Go to the Internet Archive [www.archive.org] search for the Liddell & Scott Greek-English dictionary and download the PDF.
[sarcasm] Use your amazing knowledge of Greek [sarcasm] to find the word and then come here and let us know what it means.
ok?
Scott
Your response is a no show. That is the type of antics half-educated show-offs resort to when they are put on the line. You came to this website babbling fuckery about your knowledge of Greek and how Aithops means this and that. I asked you a simple question and I hereby repeat it:
“So show me other greek words where AITH is used to mean “dark” other than in your fake meaning of Aithppia???” Athyopia is an African word of African roots borrowed by the Greeks. It does not mean burnt faces or black people. That is just another masonic myth. Ethiopia means children of Ethyops, or children of righteousness.
Don’t post irrelevant and poorly research web-site materials for me. You can cite secondary sources all you like but what I asked you is to post me ANOTHER ancient Greek word where AITH expresses dark colour rather than the known Greek word for dark which is “melas”. Just answer my challenge.
Answer this question directly or fuck off and go back to smoking your meth.
Jahdey
Jahdey
“So show me other greek words where AITH is used as dark other than in your fake meaning of Aithppia”
Aithiops = Burnt face
Aithali = soot (carbon particles not burnt completely
Aithos = Burnt, fire-colored
Athylion
Aithon (use omega for ‘o’)
Aithalos = Smokey
Aithalous
Aitho
I think you are smoking something.
George
Like all half-educated albino wannabes you just made a fool of yourself.
“Aithi-ops”
According to you the root Greek word “Aithios” means “to burn, burning or fire-colour.” I accept that. Does “fire-colour” mean black to you?
The Greek word “Ops” means face.
Thus Aithios-ops could mean Fire-face, or burning face, or “to burn face”.
So you see how insufferably stupid you come across with your show of ignorance?
Mela means dark in Greek, like mela-nin, mela-nchros, melanpodes….
The Greeks called the ancient Kemitians Egyptians, “melanpode” or black-feet to indicate their black colour.
Mela is not the same as Aithos.
You get the drift….
Now go shack up with your fellow hilly-billies and smoke more meth…
Meaning of Ethiopia:
The name of this region has been derived, through the Greek form, aithiopia, from the two words aitho, “I burn”, and ops, “face”.
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But a different origin is claimed for the name by many modern researchers, some of whom say that the Greeks borrowed the word from the Egyptians, and that as early as the Twelfth Dynasty the Egyptians knew the land under the name Ksh, or Kshi. One form of this word, with the aleph prefix, Ekoshi (the Coptic eshoosh, eshôsh, ethosh) would thus be the real root-word.
Others maintain that it is derived from the Arabic word atyab, the plural form of tib, which means “spices”, “perfumes” (Glaser, “Die Abissinier in Arabien und Afrika”, Munich, 1895), or from an Arabo-Sabean word, atyub, which has the same meaning. (Halévy in “Revue Sémitique”, IV.)
See Catholic Encyclopadia: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05566a.htm
The word comes from the verb “????” (AITHO) (burn) and “???” (OPSI) (face, appearance) and means people with burnt faces, denoting their black faces. Another word is ?????? (AITHALI), meaning burnt carbon contained in the air.
Wrong again. Aithali translates as soot, and an alternative translation is Kativa. You will agree with me that “Kati” even though used for soot is not a root word for black in classical greek. Same goes for “Aithali”. It may translate as “soot” but it does not mean black.
If a classical Greek wanted to say black he would have used the Greek word Mauros, which meant black! Alternatives word is melas, as I have stated in melanin (dark pigment), melatonin (dark hormone).
See: http://www.google.ca/search?rlz=1C1SKPC_enCA332CA337&gcx=w&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=how+to+say+soot+in+greek#pq=translate+soot+to+greek&hl=en&cp=15&gs_id=w&xhr=t&q=translate+black+to+greek&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&rlz=1C1SKPC_enCA332CA337&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=translate+black+to+greek&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=391846ed1f786bcb&biw=1024&bih=677
Why would classical Greeks use a a metaphor to describe the “black” (i.e. Athiopia- burnt faces – black) skin of an African when they already have better words to describe black and dark, i.e. Mauros and Melas. Have you ever asked yourself that? Do you recall Othello the Maur? It means Othello the black! Maur means black in ancient classical Greek.
I hope that helped you.
Jahdey
Ras Nilolaso….word!! big ups!!
u should look up MELANIN…
Actually, my heritage is Greek, I’ve studied Greek history extensively. I’ve also visited Greece, especially Crete where the Minoan and Mycennean civilizations where located. Those people where black. The words of the historians and mythmakers, the images on the pottery, it was all settled by Egyptians. Which is also how it is told in the book of Genesis, with Minoans called Caphtorim and Mycenneans called Casluhim, I believe. These where sons of Mizraim (Egypt), a son of Ham, brother of Kush.
Greece was later overrun by Macedonians, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, Crusaders, and 400 years of brutal war with the Turks, before becoming free in 1930.
Free Greek civilization has always been allied with Ethiopia and Egypt, trading royal dynasties, sciences, medicines, philosophy, stories and art: culture.
His Imperial Majesty wrote and quoted at great length about the ancient and modern connections between Greece and Ethiopia in HIM autobiography.
The architectural and anthropological evidence is there, the Biblical, the Prophetical, the mythological/psychological, even the genetic evidence is there in Mitochondrial DNA sequences. These tests and programs can trace back the genetic ancestry of a population–they all eventually point back to Africa: the Greek’s often and in great degree.
Don’t try and slam the man’s well-reasoned article with that half-assed WASP-ey sounding shit. (I bet you’ll say it was the Pilgrims!)
I hate to break it to you, but “Europe”, or that little peninsula of Eurasia we like to pretend is it’s own continent, has often been dominated by African peoples and civilizations, and for long periods of it’s history. Get over it and maybe you’ll learn more about yourself.
I am an African American and just received my results for my maternal DNA ancestry. The NUMBER ONE Native Population Match has shown that I stemmed from CRETE, GREECE. My number one GLOBAL population match results has shown CRETE,GREECE. My number one World Region match has shown AFrican Great Lakes region with Aegean and Mediterranean coming in at number 5 and number 7 spot. So, what you say makes ALOT of sense to me. My DNA is a witness to it
I love you LOL!
I agree as my family has bloodlines from caucasian, to African American, to Cherokee…Peaceat one time our skin color was not determined by how close we were to the equator. CM
Well said, Ras Nikolaos. I am also Greek, and am proud to say that more and more young and educated Greek scholars have already accepted the Black African roots of Greek civilization. Indeed, the DNA reports from scientists associated with 27 leading universities throughout the world (including Harvard, Yale, Oxford) reveal a notably greater commonality between Black Africans and Greeks than between Europeans and Greeks. Greeks are the only “Europeans” to develop sickle cell anemia, and are subject to eleven different minor maladies (rashes, etc.) found in Black persons. The truth is there, and I proudly accept that.
Ras Nikolaos
Jah bless you Rastaman, for the courage and intelligence to discern the real truth.
One love
Don Jaide
Nikoloas you are full of it. I have been to Greece and have a PHD in Greek civilization which very clearly shows through their works that they were white Europeans not black Africans. Science and DNA analysis has revealed and reconfirm time and again that the Greek population since ancient time and into modner times was and stil IS WHITE EUROPEAN since Minoan times if not earlier. I question if you are truely a Greek, more then likely you are a Slav from FYROMian because no true Greek would seperate the Macedonians and Byzantines from other Greeks like you just did. Three respected geneticists, Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Alberto Piazza and Neil Risch, argued that the scientific limitations of Villena’s methodology.[16] They stated that “Using results from the analysis of a single marker, particularly one likely to have undergone selection, for the purpose of reconstructing genealogies is unreliable and unacceptable practice in population genetics.”, making specific allusion to the findings on Greeks (among others) as “anomalous results, which contradict history, geography, anthropology and all prior population-genetic studies of these groups.” No multiple-marker analysis has ever duplicated Arnaiz-Villena’s results. In The History and Geography of Human Genes (Princeton, 1994), Cavalli-Sforza, Menozzi and Piazza grouped Greeks with other European populations based on 120 loci (view MDS plot[17]). Then, Ayub et al. 2003[18] did the same thing using 182 loci (view dendrogram[19]).” Nature; MDS plot; Ayub et al. 2003
Pure Babylon. Jah Know. Love yourself, David, and let the people tell their own story. Your beloved white supremacy don’t hold no cards in this day. This is the Lord’s Day. Want I to tell a story about Black King David?
Ras, I would like to hear the story of the black David. Very interesting…and I’m neither
black or white but pure native American.
You don’t sound like you have a PhD. I only have a bachelors in history and religious studies, and my professors never sounded like you. Although, they’ll probably just listen to the debate rather than get involved. If modern theory of evolution is correct, anatomically modern humans arise out of Africa, Ethiopia specifically. So in essence, all civilizations technically rise out of Africa. Whether Greece was settled by African descendants 50,000 years ago or 5000 years ago, they come from Africa.
Another thing Nikolaos if you were truely a Greek you would have known that the first people to call themselves European and the region they lived in EUROPE WERE THE GREEKS!
Europa was a greek woman whom they named the European peninsula after. That doesn’t make her white, and it doesn’t make it a continent. See also Genesis 10 and the listing of the sons of Ham. Caphtor is the son who settled Crete, spawning the Minoans, the Zeus mythology, Hercules, even the Philistines in the middle east. Caphtor is also referenced in the book of Amos amongst the children of Ethiopia. I love you Dave, but no man has the right to challenge another man’s identity.
Dave
Honestly, you do not sound like you have a college degree talkless of a PH.D.
Many Greeks carry HBS haplogroup 19 from Nigeria Africa. They have also been sampled for Y haplogroups A, E3B, DE, etc. See our section on Nigerian Origin of Ancient Greeks and perhaps you will begin to see connections that you have failed to observe.
The first Europeans were Blacks from Africa who cleared the land and planted the farms. They came into Europe via Spain, and the Levant carrying African culture and DNA.
Until 6,000 years ago, Europe was a completely Black continent phenotypically wise. The gene that caused your pale skin has been demonstrated to have mutated about that time and actually became pre-dominant in Europe perhaps 2,000 years ago.
The rest of the white “Europeans” you talk about are recent arrivals. They came in less than 1,600 years ago from the Steppes of Russia for instance: the germanic tribes who the Romans reported were on the move from Russian steepes into southern Europe about 4th century AD, the Russ, the Slavs, the teutons, the saxons, the vikings, the engels,…all relatively recent immigrants to Europe.
When did those tribes arrive inot western and southern Europe? Please answer!
So why do you make bold to falsify history like that?
You better know your facts before you make unsustainable claims.
Jahdey
I suggest you get your facts straight and stop spreading fallacies. Afrocentrics need to stop trying to steal European white cultures like Greece’s that has nothing to do with black Africans just to make themselves feel better. Greeks have never been genetically black Africans, period. They have nothing in common with black Africans.
Since ancient times and to this day black Africans are not the norm in Greece. A native Greek sees a black in Greece and knows right away the black person is not Greek but a foreigner. DNA analysis by scientists have proven that the percentage of Greeks who have Arabic genetic markers is less then 2%, tests have also revealed Greeks have less then .00000000000001% sub-Saharan African genetic markers. Studies done on the subject matter by Semino et al. [10] who studied DNA samples of Greeks from the whole region show that influences from the Middle East and North Africa in historical times are unlikely, and amount to something like less then 2% in total; in additional two specific haplogroups E and J which are frequent through out the European region, and can be used to detect population movements between Europe, Africa and the Near East, studies have found that less then 2.4% of Greeks belong in haplogroup E-M123 and 1.27% in E-M78. Clades of E prevalent in Northern or Sub-Saharan Africa were not found in any tested modern Greeks nor found in any DNA samples of ancient Greek skeleton remains. According to Cruciani et al. [11] most Greeks and other Balkan peoples from the region including the Slavs, Albanians, Bulgarians, Serbs, Romanians, etc cluster together and belong to a specific cluster group within a haplogroup that is found in lower frequencies outside the Balkans region and marks migrations from the Balkan areas, not into it. Haplogroup J which is also found through out Europe, is what most Greeks belong to J-M172 and its subclades which is associated with Neolithic population movements. (4) J-M172(xM12) distribution is consistent with a Caucasus/Anatolian dispersal route to southern & eastern Europe and may reflect the spread of Anatolian farmers; while (5) E-M78 and J-M12(M102) lineages would trace the subsequent diffusion of people from eastern Europe to the west. To put it in more simpler terms: thousands of Greeks gave DNA samples that were tested in seven studies, and out of that total only less then 0.1% are possible non-Caucasoid contribution to the Greek gene pool and 2% are of ME contributions. In other words Greeks have always been since ancient times closer related to the Caucasian peoples of the Balkans then any African/Semetic/Arabic or whatever other groups of people. The emerging picture of Y chromosome variation in Greece indicates genetic continuity, with slight influences from neighboring Caucasoid regions and virtually no influence from non-Caucasoids groups. The mitochondrial DNA of Greeks was examined and was found to be predominantly mostly with comprehensive European- mtDNA caucasoid, with a total precentage of less then 1.6% which come from Mediterranean-Eastern, Asian, N. African. The Greeks, like most Europeans are fairly pure in terms of their maternal ancestry.
Many modern greeks originated in the many foreign nations who dominated Greece militarily over the last 2500 years: Macedonia, Rome, Arabia, crusading Rome, and Turkey. Slavemasters rape and create ruling classes from amongst their own people. Use your common sense to figure out the story. Race is an illusion, anyway, so your genetic markers don’t scare anybody. One Love.
Ras
I have been following this lively debate and enjoying myself. I do not have the knowledge to comment on either side but you both have motivated me to do some research.
One thing though that you insist on repeating and is ERRONEOUS to the extreme is you your use of Macedonia and Macedonians. Get it it through your head Macedonia was founded by people from Argos and eventually conquered and assimilated the surrounding people creating the Empire we now know as Philip’s and Alexander’s. Present day inhabitants of the political unit officially known as FYROM are slavs and have absolutely nothing to do with Philip or Alexander who were as Greek as the Athenians, Boeoteans, Corinthians and Messinians. Sure they must have assimilated “foreign” blood lines with their conquests because Philip’s Empire covered areas of present day Albania, Northern Greece, Southern Yugoslavia and Bulgaria. Areas your johnny-come-lately present inhabitants of FYROM now claim as their own. These people are slavic in origin and came over one thousand years after Alexander’s bones were dust.
I really get annoyed by the common usage (not the official one) of the term Macedonian/Macedonia. Nobody is denying your people a country but don’t go picking one that belongs to another nation and then use that to claim territory which doesn’t belong to you.
You know Ras apart from you casual use of obseneties and lack of respect to your fellow posters I thought you had made some good points. Now however that I realize who you are I am thinking you are just trying to drag MY GREEK heritage into the mud with a carefully crafted story.
I am sure some witty obsenity will be thrown my way so I have my “round” shield ready.
Have anice day Ras.