The following info from a Eurocentric weblog shows the uselessness of arguing over haplotypes and genetics without physical anthropological foundations:
“A back migration from Asia to Africa took place around 15,000 years ago, with a group of R1b1* people moving to Egypt, Sudan and spreading in different directions inside Africa to Rwanda, South Africa, Namibia, Angola, Congo, Gabon, Equatorial Guinea, Cameroon, Nigeria, Ivory Coast, Guinea-Bissau. The hotspot is Cameroon. R1b1* was observed at a frequency of up to 95% in some tribes of northern Cameroon (like the Kirdi), and about 15% nationwide. It is probably where the early R1b people first settled, then spread south and east along the coast.”
The problem a lot of people are unaware that most Cromagnon and paleolithic, mesolithic and neolithic people around the Mediteranean including in North Africa were not biologically or not closely affiliated represented by modern Europeans. 15,000 years ago the majority of people in North africa were Mechtoids and other “Cro-Magnon” type people with craniofacial traits that were strongly tropical. These people had very little direct connection to modern European peoples or those called “Eurasian in the Middle East. in fact they were closer to modern sub-Saharan Africans.
This has been known for many decades by anthropologists and modern physical anthropologists using genetic based traits have basically confirmed the earlier conclusions. Thus, the study done by Brace and several other reputable physical anthropological specialists who wrote and edited the paper proving the unrelatedness of most modern Europeans with ancient pre- Bronze Age Europeans showed very strong tropical and “Negroid” traits well into the neolithic. It also concluded many Bronze Age people were apparently not closely connected genetically to modern Europeans based on 24 well-tested craniofacila traits including the Mahalonobis statistic. “The surprise is that the Neolithic peoples of Europe and their Bronze Age successors are not closely related to the modern inhabitants, although the prehistoric/modern ties are somewhat more apparent in southern Europe. It is a further surprise that the Epipalaeolithic Natufian of Israel from whom the Neolithic realm was assumed to arise has a clear link to Sub-Saharan Africa.”
However the unrelatedness of ancient stone age Europeans to modern Europeans has long been known thus we hear from the following specialists earlier. Professor Willis Boughton in 1896, The History of Ancient Peoples 334-337: “Archeologists have found remains of three races in Europe. Two of these are generally classed as blacks, may be known as the Constant and the Cro-Magnon Race.”
“The discoveries of abundant prehistoric remains all over Europe particularly France. These with one accord tended to show that European aborigines of the Stone age were not Mongoloid like the Lapps, after all but the exact opposite. In every detail they resembled rather the dolicocecephalic Negoes of Africa.”” William Z. Ripley, Races of Europe p. 436
“The importance of the skeleton of the Cro- Magnon type is that in stature, prognathousm and shape of the orbits they exhibit approximation to the negro type more than any other which have been found in Europe.” P. 96 in Isaac Taylor, The Origin of the Aryans, first published 1889.
And in 2005 the Brace paper asserts – “If this analysis shows nothing else it demonstrates that the oft repeated European feeling that the Cro-Magnons are ‘us’ is more a product of anthropological folklore than the result of the metric data available from the skeletal remains.” see “The Questionable contribution of the Neolithic and Bronze Age to European Craniofacial form”, Loring Brace, Noriko Seguchi, Conrad B. Quintyn, Sherry C. Fox, A. Russell Nelson, Sotiris K. Manolis, by the National Academy of Sciences, which basically shows how weak the physical link is between modern Europeans and most ancient Europeans including pre-Bronze Age Eurasiatic, regardless of what haplotype or other dna traits went where. This is due to the prevalence of African looking people in Europe and Asia until the neolithic. Something that early specialists before pseudoanthropological musings of Coon. (And even he classified the bulk of the small “Mediterranean Neolithic people as noticeably “Negroid” in craniofacial character.)
Brace’s study found that only a couple of populations in neolithic Germany to have some connection to the modern Europeans and Middle Easterners, including the modern Gaunches and Basques, and northward Berber speakers (also mainly mesocranic and brachycephalic peoples) unlike ancient Africans and modern Africans and ancient paleolithic and most neolithic Europeans and Eurasians.
In addition, recent studies have again shown as Lepsius had in the past that ancient Egyptians had essentially tropical traits.
Thus we read in another recent article, “The raw values in Table 6 suggest that Egyptians had the “super-Negroid” body plan described by Robins (1983).. This pattern is supported by Figure 7 (a plot of population mean femoral and tibial lengths; data from Ruff, 1994), which indicates that the Egyptians generally have tropical body plans. Of the Egyptian samples, only the Badarian and Early Dynastic period populations have shorter tibiae than predicted from femoral length. Despite these differences, all samples lie relatively clustered together as compared to the other populations.” (Zakrzewski, S.R. (2003). found in “Variation in ancient Egyptian stature and body proportions”. American Journal of Physical Anthropology 121 (3): 219-229.
Finally it should understood that, just because certain haplotypes or other dna traits came to be carried by a variety of modern populations says little about where a modern population or physical type originated. What it does suggest, however, is that many modern Europeans and the affiliated modern Eurasian populations have asorbed previous non-Europoid populations that were present in European, North African and Eurasian regions. The Greeks, Kabyles and other European-like types may be a good example of this.
Actually, Mechtoids were closer to Cro Magnons in Cranio facial features. The “Subtropical” element either came from mixing w/ Negroid N. Africans, or Sub tropical CLIMACTIC forces caused Cro Magnon features to evolve in a more African direction. It’s probably more a product of mixing. It is important to note that there WAS gene flow between Africa & Europe (at that time) that went both directions. Sometime after the last glacial maximum (somewhere between 25,000 and 19,000 years ago) There was a migration of ppls ( of probable Bantu physical type) into Europe. This would have occured after the ice sheets began retreating. From there they would have moved north. This may also account for some African-Saharan genes being found clear up in Russia!
Its obvious many people have some kind of mental block where Cro-Magnon is concerned. They ARE NOT the direct ancestors of modern Europeans. Their ancestors were already in Europe along with Cro-Magnons.
What does the anthropological evidence mean: “The surprise is that the Neolithic peoples of Europe and their Bronze Age successors are not closely related to the modern inhabitants, although the prehistoric/modern ties are somewhat more apparent in southern Europe. It is a further surprise that the Epipalaeolithic Natufian of Israel from whom the Neolithic realm was assumed to arise has a clear link to Sub-Saharan Africa.”
The study also shows that the Mechtoids (the North African variant of the Cro-Magnon) evolved into neolithic black Africans as represented by modern East Africans or peoples of the Horn. There is nothing that unfathamable and obtuse about what was said in the article. “Cro-Magnons are not us.” Means NOT YOU.
Not only is there nothing unfathomable. There is nothing that can be easily denied. Culturally the links between Aurignacian and most other Paleolithic Europeans are with matrifocal black Africans and not Europeans, as witnessed by the mother Goddess figurines.
This isn’t true racially Cro-Magnons would be considered Caucasian. Brace was saying that they were different in other ways like robustity. R1b1 originated from the region of Afghanistan/Pakistan region in those days and then mixed with the blacks that were there. Aurignacian has nothing to do with Africa it is indigenous to West Asia. Any similarities between Aurignacian and any modern culture would be the result of influence by Eurasians over time. There were never any Mother Goddess figurines associated with Africa at all they always show up in Europe first. The Earliest Natufians were not Black Africans. Natufian culture was already long established before the blacks migrated North. If the Blacks originated the Natufian culture than the first farmers in Europe should be predominantly Y-Haplogroup E. But instead Y-Haplogroup G which is indigenous to Anatolia far exceeds any other haplogroup!
**African SUB saharan genes found in Russia.. sorry!
Its obvious that we’re all vey closely related and that early Europeans were black. That means nothing except showing that our differences are beautiful and should be preserved.Lave white people alone! No mass immigration or pointless mixing will solve discrimination. We should all look to see what we can offer each other. Peace.
“The following info from a Eurocentric weblog shows the uselessness of arguing over haplotypes and genetics without physical anthropological foundations”
This is wrong . Y DNA SNPs are providing one scientific information : the male lineages. The anthropological data can provide other informations. In fact, it’s hard to make a good comparison between Y data and anthropological data, so the basis of the article is weak.
The Y-DNA haplogroups I and J in Europe are very closely related and both derived from IJ, the Cro-Magnons. I evolved further in Europe and J followed later, with its own subset of mutations. They both are of the same family and both from the near east. These groups evolved long before there was such a thing called race and ethnicity. Neither are Nordic nor Semetic as we use the terms today. In general, these haplogroups occur in Europe in a nexis from north (I) to south (J), both long-headed in appearance, flanked by others, namely R1b to the west and R1a to the east, both more round-headed in appearance, both of which are cousins to the IJ brothers. “Whiteness” has nothing to do with Y-DNA but rather an appearance manifested by autosomal dna mutations. No one of these groups is more “whiter” than the other. If one is perceived to be “white” and you want a genetic explanation then try studying autosomal dna.
I don’t know what you’re trying to say here, but if my DNA is what National Geographic’s Genographic project says it is, than I am a member of Rb1(R1b1b2). And this is a direct line from father to son back 35,000 years. How can you say Europeans (or European-Americans, in my case) having this blood are not the “real” ancestors?? This is bullshit. We are all African, after all, I don’t care if you’re “Negroe” and I’m not. We are related it’s all just recessive and dominant traits.
Clyde says that Haplogroup E1b1b is Caucasoid, believed by many others.
It’s widely believed that black African migrants entered Europe around 40,000 years ago. E1b1b is believed to have developed in East Africa around 20,000 years ago. This important group is associated with developing agriculture and the Afroasiatic language family.
How did they become Caucasian?
Narrow skulls and gracile bone structure may indicate cooler climates near the Ice Age Mediterranean. E Haplogroups are black African.
Has a reverse migration from Eurasia into East Africa been documented?
I’m still waiting for someone to show me those gracile skulls that originated in Europe. The so-called gracile features that Europeans love to claim exist on the East coast of Africa and in parts of India. European heads bear the closest approximation to the aboriginal Australian. If Europeans’s brow ridges were any larger they’d be APES.
Meyers Blitz-Lexikon (Leipzig, 1932) shows “Caucasoid types”. Caucasoids have the second largest brow ridge under Australoids..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supraorbital_ridge
After a century of denying what was visible to all but the Euro-racist; come on, the Great Sphinx is caucasian? Africans are now asked to welcome their savage Neanderthal cousin without reservation. I have reservations and have always had: these deleterious X-linked genes that keep surfacing increasingly among Africans in the diaspora are a sign that Eve’s peeps had good reason to banish her children from the modern human gene pool. Autism, Asperger, Muscular Dystrophy, Cystic Fibrosis, ADHD, Schizophrenia; all this to look forward to after having overcome head and pubic lice.
Sphinx looks Caucasian. If it had a flat, negroid nose, the nose would not have fallen off. It’s because it was longer, that it fell off the rest of the statue. Definitely built by a white king, not necessarily by white laborers.